Topic: What would the world be like if the U.S.S.R. existed today?

Red_Army · March 24th, 2005

If the "Soviet Empire" never collapsed in 1991. What would our world look as of today? Would the United States still have all the influence around the world? Or will Soviet influence still be a major factor?

Personally, if the Soviet Union never collapsed. Their mighty empire will much smaller, because they lost their grip on Eastern Europe.

Comparison between USSR and Russia
USSR - 1990
Troops: 4,700,000
Budget: $271 billion US
Tanks: 53,350
Combat Aircraft: 5,130
Fighters: 1,885
Bombers: 2,475
Nuclear Subs: 201
Submarines: 147
Warships: 264
Naval Aircraft: 1,039
Nuclear Weapons: 6,938
Intercontinental Ballistic missiles: 1,451
Sub-launched Ballistic missiles: 960
Long-Range Bombers: 195

Russia - 2005
Troops: 700,000
Budget: $7 billion US
Tanks: 5,559
Combat Aircraft: 1,855
Fighters: 415
Bombers: 725
Nuclear Subs: 66
Submarines: 31
Warships: 44
Naval Aircraft: 329
Nuclear Weapons: 3,590
Intercontinental Ballistic missiles: 756
Sub-launched Ballistic Missiles: 412
Long-Range Bombers: 66

MontyB · March 24th, 2005

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Originally Posted by Red_Army

If the "Soviet Empire" never collapsed in 1991. What would our world look as of today? Would the United States still have all the influence around the world? Or will Soviet influence still be a major factor?

Personally, if the Soviet Union never collapsed. Their mighty empire will much smaller, because they lost their grip on Eastern Europe.

Comparison between USSR and Russia
USSR - 1990
Troops: 4,700,000
Budget: $271 billion US
Tanks: 53,350
Combat Aircraft: 5,130
Fighters: 1,885
Bombers: 2,475
Nuclear Subs: 201
Submarines: 147
Warships: 264
Naval Aircraft: 1,039
Nuclear Weapons: 6,938
Intercontinental Ballistic missiles: 1,451
Sub-launched Ballistic missiles: 960
Long-Range Bombers: 195

Russia - 2005
Troops: 700,000
Budget: $7 billion US
Tanks: 5,559
Combat Aircraft: 1,855
Fighters: 415
Bombers: 725
Nuclear Subs: 66
Submarines: 31
Warships: 44
Naval Aircraft: 329
Nuclear Weapons: 3,590
Intercontinental Ballistic missiles: 756
Sub-launched Ballistic Missiles: 412
Long-Range Bombers: 66

I think your numbers may be a little misleading, I am sure I have have seen them before and was told they were not accurate as they included "reserve equipment" some of which dated back to WW2 that was effectively unusable.

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Would the United States still have all the influence around the world?

My personal opinion is that the collapse of the USSR actually diminished the USA's influence because without a potential global enemy you dont need the USA.

MadeInChina · March 24th, 2005

dude, by the end of 85' the soviet army had thousands of armor vehicles made up mostly of t-72s, the WWII vehicles were in museums and the other commi nations

many aircrafts were also of su-27 orgins and mig29 production

they had an awesome navy as well, many submarines and huge cruicers.

*dont underestimate the economic system, which led to the downfall of soviet russia

MontyB · March 24th, 2005

Dont get me wrong I am not making comment on the quality of Soviet front line equipment, nor am I saying they only had one tank that they moved around a lot to look like thousands.

I am simply saying that "IF" I recall correctly this figure (Tanks: 53,350 ) included reserve vehicles that went back as far as the T54 which is hardly a major battlefield threat these days.

Red_Army · March 24th, 2005

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Originally Posted by MontyB

Dont get me wrong I am not making comment on the quality of Soviet front line equipment, nor am I saying they only had one tank that they moved around a lot to look like thousands.

I am simply saying that "IF" I recall correctly this figure (Tanks: 53,350 ) included reserve vehicles that went back as far as the T54 which is hardly a major battlefield threat these days.

I got these military figures off a Russian Website.

USAFAUX2004 · March 24th, 2005

Trust me, NO ONE knows the exact numbers

Whispering Death · March 24th, 2005

I'm not quite sure what the point of this thread is. It seems like all idle speculation. What if the Roman Empire had never collapsed?

I just don't get how anything useful could really be determined with such a broad question.

03USMC · March 24th, 2005

Remember the Cold War? It would be just like it never ended.

behemoth79 · March 25th, 2005

i dont think the world would exist anymore should the USSR have not fallen. America and the soviet union were way too close to a nuclear war and the world is lucky that it did end. we would all be either dead or have some mutation from fallout because the cold war could not have lasted another 10-15 years without war.

WarMachine · March 25th, 2005

The most probable aspect is in terms of military technology. The US and the soviets would both be still developing cutting-edge technology. The American technology would be like today's, only with a lot more of those programs that were cancelled, like the comanche. And the soviets would have developed the su 37 and mig 35 fully. We might even have SDI on both sides.

March 24th, 2005	Post 1
Red_Army Optio	Post; What would the world be like if the U.S.S.R. existed today? If the "Soviet Empire" never collapsed in 1991. What would our world look as of today? Would the United States still have all the influence around the world? Or will Soviet influence still be a major factor? Personally, if the Soviet Union never collapsed. Their mighty empire will much smaller, because they lost their grip on Eastern Europe. Comparison between USSR and Russia USSR - 1990 Troops: 4,700,000 Budget: $271 billion US Tanks: 53,350 Combat Aircraft: 5,130 Fighters: 1,885 Bombers: 2,475 Nuclear Subs: 201 Submarines: 147 Warships: 264 Naval Aircraft: 1,039 Nuclear Weapons: 6,938 Intercontinental Ballistic missiles: 1,451 Sub-launched Ballistic missiles: 960 Long-Range Bombers: 195 Russia - 2005 Troops: 700,000 Budget: $7 billion US Tanks: 5,559 Combat Aircraft: 1,855 Fighters: 415 Bombers: 725 Nuclear Subs: 66 Submarines: 31 Warships: 44 Naval Aircraft: 329 Nuclear Weapons: 3,590 Intercontinental Ballistic missiles: 756 Sub-launched Ballistic Missiles: 412 Long-Range Bombers: 66

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MadeInChina Primus Pilus	dude, by the end of 85' the soviet army had thousands of armor vehicles made up mostly of t-72s, the WWII vehicles were in museums and the other commi nations many aircrafts were also of su-27 orgins and mig29 production they had an awesome navy as well, many submarines and huge cruicers. *dont underestimate the economic system, which led to the downfall of soviet russia __________________ A signature is a little text that can be added at the bottom of the posts you make. It\'s limited to 300 characters (size 7 to 12) on 5 line(s) and 1 image(s) with none larger than 100x500 pixels and for a maximum of 20Kb. In your text, no more than 100 characters without space too.

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USAFAUX2004 Tribunus Laticlavius Gear	Trust me, NO ONE knows the exact numbers __________________ MICHAEL HATKEVICH, C/Capt, CAP

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03USMC Milforum Moderator Gear	Remember the Cold War? It would be just like it never ended. __________________ *Sgt. Rafael Peralta ,United States Marine Corps* *Company A, 1st Bn, 3rd Marine Regt, 3rd Marine Divison* *We will never forget your valor and sacrifice.* *Semper Fi !*

March 25th, 2005	Post 9
behemoth79 Tribuni Angusticlavii	i dont think the world would exist anymore should the USSR have not fallen. America and the soviet union were way too close to a nuclear war and the world is lucky that it did end. we would all be either dead or have some mutation from fallout because the cold war could not have lasted another 10-15 years without war. __________________ si deum nobiscum, quis contra? AS LONG AS DIXIE STILL EXISTS,THIS COUNTRY WILL NEVER FALL

March 24th, 2005	Post 4
MontyB Tribunus Laticlavius	Dont get me wrong I am not making comment on the quality of Soviet front line equipment, nor am I saying they only had one tank that they moved around a lot to look like thousands. I am simply saying that "IF" I recall correctly this figure (Tanks: 53,350 ) included reserve vehicles that went back as far as the T54 which is hardly a major battlefield threat these days.

March 24th, 2005	Post 7
Whispering Death Tribuni Angusticlavii Gear	I'm not quite sure what the point of this thread is. It seems like all idle speculation. What if the Roman Empire had never collapsed? I just don't get how anything useful could really be determined with such a broad question.

March 25th, 2005	Post 10
WarMachine Primus Pilus	The most probable aspect is in terms of military technology. The US and the soviets would both be still developing cutting-edge technology. The American technology would be like today's, only with a lot more of those programs that were cancelled, like the comanche. And the soviets would have developed the su 37 and mig 35 fully. We might even have SDI on both sides.

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