turtledoves alt history books are awesome.


love the "barrels"

Korea, enough said.

And also, if you guys want to know what the world would be like, read Harry Turtledove's Great War Series, American Empire Series, and Settling Account's series, they are about WWI, the Great Depression, and WWII as if the South had won the Civil War.

Well, there would be the CSA and the USA. The slavery thing... I think abolition would have eventually come around to the South.
Who knows... maybe after a while the US and CS would actually start to get along with one another.

Actually we now know from historical record (I'll try to find where I read it) that the South already had come to the conclusion that slavery was economically unviable let alone morally wrong. They were trying to find a way out of it even as the war began. It is a common misconception, however, that the Civil War was fought because of slavery. It wasn't. It was fought over states rights. That being who was the supreme power in the land? The Federal government or the state within it's own borders. Slavery was the main issue that brought that to head yes, but it was not the central issue of the war. Read any books written by the combatants of both sides after the war and you'll see where the Southerners were talking about their rights and the Northerners speak of rebellion to the Federal government.

Yup. It was a war to preserve the Union. Why the change in the moral cause of the war? Because the losses the Union sustained in this war was far too great to make "preservation of the Union" a justified reason. Something above politics was needed. Persuit of God's equality of man was the best option.

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By godofthunder9010

What you are describing is what it would have looked like if the south had won. Remember, they had no aspirations of taking over the nation, they just wanted to be their own country.

My Observation : The American civil war wasn't so much about slavery as it was Economics (form South's point of View)

Supporting argument: The south's main source of revenue at the time was cotton, cheaply grown and yes, cheaply harvested by slaves..................... In their ruling the Abolishment was a Forsed economic depression on the South by the Union ................... Rather than go willingly into poverty, the south chose to fight instead.

Ok, you can use the argument to say that it was to abolish slavery - from the Union's point of view it was, and simply based on that argument, I'm quite glad the Union won............ Slavery in any form is an abhorration.

Now coming to How USA would have been like today ...............I think By now Slavery would have been abolished anyhow.......

South USA would be anti-Black, while the North USA would be pro-Black.

Ummm Just Noticed you said North USA and South USA ..............emmmmm How is it Possible to have a North/South America and still United States..........it could have been DSA(divides States of America.........just Picking



I would Still like to Point my Economic Point...............i think it was more Economic...............South was more Agriculturlar based and slaves provided cheap labour ..................that was a important point than being Anti-Black ..............so with the growth of economy and industralisation maybe things could have changed

By now Like Most of Aferica Aparthied has been Abolished same would have happned to N America and Confidrate America and which acould have ment better relations between the Two..............and being on the Same Continent which is Seperated by water form the rest of the world they would have to have been natural Friends ...............than enemies ...............Maybe they Could have shared Very Good Relations by now

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What if the Civil War had never end or if it was a stalemate? Well, i believe that the UK would plead for our help, and North Americas strong ties to the UK would draw the USA and CSA into a union to become allies againist the Central Powers. And that the rest of the war would have pretty much gone more or less the same way.

Oh comon you all act as if a war could have gone one from 1861 to modern times. There wouldnt be anybody left to fight

Originally Posted by Peterminator

Oh comon you all act as if a war could have gone one from 1861 to modern times. There wouldnt be anybody left to fight

Have you ever heard of the Hundred Years War? the Cold War? It could have just been raids and counter-raids or arms build ups with an occasional hot spot here or there. btw, there is only about 50 years between the Civil War and WWI, I assume that post was in response to what Topgujn1 said.

I also think that Europe, or at least France and England, would have supported the CSA just as a way to keep the nations of the North American Continent weaker, let them beat themselves up so they can't focus on Europe, that sort of thing. And let's be honest, there is no way that the South could have invaded and conquered the North, the North had two and a half times the population of the South and was vastly larger, the North however could concievably conquer the South and that meant a unified America once again, far stronger and truly able to focus on Europe now that we were no longer killing off each other.

And yes, I do also think that eventually slavery would have been outlawed in the South, especially with the advent of tractors, combines, and other heavy farm equipment which would mean that one person could do the work of dozens of slaves. The USA and CSA would probably try to carve up North America amongst themselves to try and gain an advantage over the other, USA takes Canada, CSA takes Maexico, USA aquires Alaska, etc.

this may be a little off topic, but how much of the american civil war do they teach you in countries other than the U.S.?