Originally Posted by No MERCY

OK. I'm sorry. But how will u let me know if u need it. I tried to keep u in check and u blew me away.

LOL No Mercy, thanks .. that just made my day.

Don't they already have a SpecOps division? Force Recon? Or is that just a combat scout unit of the Marines?

Originally Posted by JagSeal

Don't they already have a SpecOps division? Force Recon? Or is that just a combat scout unit of the Marines?

Force Recon is a not part of SOCOM and is not considered a SF unit. So I guess you could say they are a combat scout unit of the Marines. How ever they were used in the war with Iraq as more of a SF unit, which is one of the reason the Marines are looking in to getting a SF unit.

What would this unit do? Easy, same as all the other SF units. Only they will do it all, and they will do it better.

[quote="Razor"]<snip>[quote]

Good try Razor, but no.

Originally Posted by RnderSafe

Good try Razor, but no.

No, to that last part right? It was a joke, sorry if some of y'all did'int like it.

Originally Posted by Razor

No, to that last part right? It was a joke, sorry if some of y'all did'int like it.

No, your first paragraph. "Force Recon is a not part of SOCOM " was about the only thing right.

Originally Posted by RnderSafe

No, your first paragraph. "Force Recon is a not part of SOCOM " was about the only thing right.

I really do not like to contradict Mod on any forum, but I feel that you misunderstood me.

Originally Posted by Razor

Force Recon is a not part of SOCOM and is not considered a SF unit.

Officially Force Recon is not considered a SF unit, how ever many do consider it a SF unit, how ever on paper they are not.

Originally Posted by Razor

So I guess you could say they are a combat scout unit of the Marines.

That was made in reference to LCDR_SurfWar post:

Originally Posted by LCDR_SurfWar

Don't they already have a SpecOps division? Force Recon? Or is that just a combat scout unit of the Marines?

I used the two options he gave me to answer.

Originally Posted by Razor

How ever they were used in the war with Iraq as more of a SF unit, which is one of the reason the Marines are looking in to getting a SF unit.

That is a true statement, Force Recon was used differently than is has been in the past, many Marines resented it. I feel it caused the U.S. government to decide that the Marines need an SF unit.

to prove my pont that they were used differently then they were suppost to be I'll post their origanal mission:

The Force Reconnaissance mission is to plan, coordinate and conduct amphibious reconnaissance, deep ground reconnaissance & surveillance, battle space shaping, and limited scale raids in support of the MEF (Marine Expeditionary Force), MAGTFs (Marine Air Ground Task Force), or a JTF (Joint Task Force). The mission essential tasks are:



Conduct amphibious reconnaissance and deep ground R&S (Reconnaissance and Surveillance)


Conduct specialized terrain reconnaissance


Assist in specialized engineering, NBC (Nuclear, Biological and Chemical), Radio and Mobile Reconnaissance missions


Implant and/or recover sensors and beacons


Conduct ITG (Initial Terminal Guidance) for helicopters, landing crafts, and parachutists


Engage selected targets with Naval, Air and Ground guided support (Laser Guided Missiles, Artillery, Naval Gunfire, etc...)


Conduct post-strike reconnaissance (Battle Damage Assessments)


Conduct limited scale raids (destroy critical enemy targets, gas and oil platforms (GOPLATs), Military Interdiction Operations (MIOs), capture selected enemy personnel, and recover sensitive items / personnel)


Conduct other operations as directed

I got that from here: http://www.forcerecon.org/missiontraining.htm

Now the way they were used in Operation Iraq freedom could fall under "Conduct other operations as directed." However many did not like this fact thus that new Marine SF unit.

If you would like I'll find a site telling how they were used in Operation Iraq freedom.

Okay, Razor.

Officially Force Recon is not considered a SF unit, how ever many do consider it a SF unit, how ever on paper they are not.

Wrong. I'll give you a hint, SF is an asset only the Army has.

Razor wrote:
How ever they were used in the war with Iraq as more of a SF unit, which is one of the reason the Marines are looking in to getting a SF unit.


That is a true statement, Force Recon was used differently than is has been in the past, many Marines resented it. I feel it caused the U.S. government to decide that the Marines need an SF unit.

This is not a true statement. FRs mission is nothing like SFs mission. You are also wrong in that the US government decided to bring the Marine Corps into SOC. That was a Corps decision. You're also incorrect in that FR is being used "differently" than the past and that Marines resent it.

Now the way they were used in Operation Iraq freedom could fall under "Conduct other operations as directed." However many did not like this fact thus that new Marine SF unit.

If you would like I'll find a site telling how they were used in Operation Iraq freedom.

Again, wrong, wrong .. and .. well, wrong. You can continue to argue until your wee heart is content, but you have no idea of what you speak.

You may continue to "contradict" me, but nothing you're saying makes sense to anyone that has first hand knowledge of the situations. Realise, there are some on this board that are involved and deal with many of these SOF units you young ninjas have such a hard on for.

What is this "new" Marine special forces? As far as I know, the Recon Marines are the USMC "special forces."

*sigh* .. The Marine Corps does not have special forces. No one has special forces in the US military except for the Army.