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| Milforum's Bouncer | Post; What the...Quote:
I have to second the question of this troop, since when do officers get medals and awards for the actions of their troops? This is a shame and in my opinion belittles the value of these medals and defames the men who have truly earned them.
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| Tribuni Angusticlavii | No, that's not right. You don't get an award for volunteering your troops to do a job for you. |
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| Milforum Moderator ![]() | Really? He got the award only for volunteering his troops? I don't think that's the whole story. It seems to me that Cpt. Mayfiled did a good deal more than just volunteer his troops. Read this and see what you think. Quote:
Or maybe it was Cpt. Sims, may he rest in peace, that this guy is questioning? Read this form the same source. Quote:
Who is it that this man is complaining about? I don't see it.
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| Primus Pilus | Something I noticed was the tone he took. At first it was humble and respectful, something I think would be concurrent with a letter of such nature written to a superior officer. But later it becomes more demanding and less respectful. Could this be someone who is not really a member of the 101ST?
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| Nuclear Duck Hunter ![]() | In this war, it's not uncommon for a high ranking officer to receive a medal for going above and beyond because they now lead instead of watch from a safe distance. Most captains and above are very careful that their men don't walk into a problem area so they do the honors of sticking their head up first. As for a Presidential Unit Citation, everyone in the unit receives one. It travels with the Unit just as mine did with the 47th ADA which formed from a WWII Field Arty group attached to an infantry company. Medals still have to be approved by people who know all the facts.
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| Milforum's Bouncer | This is from a credible source which verifies the source before it publishes something so I believe the author is a troop with the 101st, but it would seem a disgruntled one. Much like previous wars where you have troops I met in later years who served with MacArthur who worshipped the man and troops like my grandad who thought the man the biggest coward he ever met. If this troop did not personally witness the actions of the officer he questions without naming names it stinks. My personal opinion after doing a bit more reading in some other places is that this might be the case of a barracks rumor spread around with people only knowing half the facts to begin with (ie the quote about volunteering his troops) and then it gets more and more self-righteous as it goes building indignation till someone fires off the letter I quoted to begin with. But I think it cannot be denied that there are now and always have been some officers who receive questionable citations and awards and it is popular amongst the troops to rip on them as a whole for it. Its part of the American ethos and I suspect in other military cultures as well. Officers are generally, though not accurately, thought of as pretty boys who don't get down in the mud and mix it up with the grunts. We have a culture that says these things must be "earned" and if someone feels as though it wasn't for some reason or other, true or flase in its reasoning, it will foment dissent. I know of people who have turned down awards and medals because they felt they didn't earn them or do anything special. My grandpa turned down two purple hearts during WWII because he felt them an insult. (Which of course one of them was because it was owing to the "tetherball" grenade incident.) So an attack on the author's credibility is not the issue as I see it but what's in the air at his unit. What's going on in THAT chain of command? None of us know without being there but something like this letter is a red flag. And that is the purpose behind publishing the letter. The site it is on is one that tries to draw attention to problems so they get fixed, no for people to piss and moan about. |
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| Nuclear Duck Hunter ![]() | I think a lot of WWII vets have the same opinion of Gen MacArthur and nicknamed him "dugout Dug" but there were just as many who thought him a great leader. If you ever read anything about Oliver North, he also turned down a third purple heart that would have been his ticket out of Vietnam. He was back with his outfit as soon as he healed. You've got to admire that kind of guy. |
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| Primus Pilus | Make sure you read the last paragraph about the Lt. Col. who recieved the Star. Lt. Col. Peter Newell: Newell deployed a 550-soldier mechanized task force on 72 hours' notice to Fallujah in November 2004, leading a continuous 12-day attack in the heavily fortified Askari district. His forces overwhelmed resistance in the first 14 hours, ultimately killing 330 enemy fighters, capturing 48 others, destroying 38 weapons caches, two roadside- bomb factories and one car-bomb factory while becoming the first battalion in the division to achieve its objective. On Nov. 12, Newell was caught in an ambush following an 11-hour night attack. Narrowly escaping enemy fire, he left his tracked vehicle and personally assisted in the evacuation of a mortally wounded officer.
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| Optio | Look up LTC Erik Kurilla and the 1-24 Infantry Regiment. Thats leadership by example - from a field grade officer. |
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| Centurion | The fact that in his letter he gets disrespectful is the worst of it IMHO. |
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