Agreed. It's funny and rather absurd how a large muscular guy with a bow and explosive arrows take on a large group of Russians, gets lucky now and then, and still emerges victorious.

But I think they were talking about no invasion of Afghanistan by the Soviet Union as a result of a KMT victory.

Wow...

I still see china as having 2 very major problems, even if the nationalists had won instead of the communists:

1. there was still an imperialist movement within china: some wanted a return to the emperor, some wanted the democratic reforms that sun yet sen had promised, but had never gone to fruition under chang ki sheck. I believe that there might have been the possibility of yet another internal conflict..one that had been put on hold by the chinese-japanese wars. Only this conflict would have dragged the US into the fray...probley with dire consequences for the US.

2. even under the nationalist government...there were still warlords and other holdouts opposing the government. I could see that a long term military offensive against these groups, which would have sapped and taxed the nationalists efforts to modernize and bring industry to the land.


just a thought...i think because of these two conditions, it would have probably been 1975 or so before the nation would have finally settled down and had a cohesive effort to modernize, industrialize, and adopt means to feed the country.

oh come on, you guys just shift all the blames to the communists in the history, not think it as "reality". but let's be realistic here, with that assumption.

if KMT took power, indeed, Taiwan is still under china control. but with communist movement in seciety still under the dark and planty support from the north neibour, there will be a long long strauggle.

hard to say weither NK would be wipe out or not, in fact, we can't say, because the North might not even start to invade south, and certainly USSR would not let them and would not watch them to be defeated neither. if URRS can keep East Germany under Communist rule for that long--with banch advanced nations surarounded, one more like NK wouldn't be the problem and much easier to keep and deal with.

Although china could be in trouble with USSR, it is possible the north china could be cut out by the USSR to link NK. seriously, even communist china had to fight with USSR for north border dispute.

the Tibet will not be part of china? i don't think so, the map from KMT time also mark the Tibet as part of china. the only thing would happen might be the whole world didn't even care about Tibet like today, and Dalai Lama would not had the populisity he had today.

avoiding the 62 indo war? you must be joking! communist government was just picked up what KMT's arguement! either way, their would be talks and talks, if talks failed, china would pretect it by force, be clear, KMT is a nationalist, under his rule, not a single inch of land were lost, not a single history disputed land was given up, if he was there in 62, with the weatern backup..... wish the KMT government would give up it freely? keep dreaming. you have the pic.

not even mention outter mogolia was still on the china map, how can china be any smaller?? if we don't even give up outter mongolia, how can we be "kindly enought" to give up the disputed land to india?

vietam war avoided? yeah sure, but the US might just have started their vietam war from china, and chinese army would have just had to keep busy at the north border with USSR to "help" americans at south.

there were another thing would have changed though, Taiwan and hongkong might not be that advanced in technology and economy. and japanese might not be that brainless to forget what they done in WW2, cz they would not have the guts to do it, and US certainly would not help. two western block countries just had to deal it their own.

sum up, either way, china would have a lot of conflicts to deal with, a lot of things to think about, and even inside the country, a lot of mess to be addressed out. but, keep this in mind, a country's interests is still the top piority, no metter what the political system is. a nation would be constanly challenged by different events and maximizing their own interests is the key.

waht???


dude, ccp had only a couple of aks, some 122mm cannons and a few trucks delivere dby cccp, but that was it for them

Originally Posted by Zucchini

Man, I'm pullin' for the kmt now. I hate those movies. I can't believe people actually think "Rambo" is the history of a Vietnam vet.

You misunderstood. No one with a decent education thinks that Rambo was a real character. It was mentioned in good humour, since the movies were based with that war as a back ground.

Mark Conley and K19 have practical points. The topic can become a very emotional one if oneside disregards the historical back ground and situation of China at that time.

It is very easy to blame Communists at present time when many of you never suffered decades of humiliation, destabilization and total corruption like Chinese people did. Flip open history books, ask yourselves, did KMT represent welfare of the Chinese people?

Mark described it good. War-Lordism and imperialism would have killed China if KMT won the war. Feudalism also prevalent and widely practiced during that period as well.

Originally Posted by Boobies

Mark Conley and K19 have practical points. The topic can become a very emotional one if oneside disregards the historical back ground and situation of China at that time.

It is very easy to blame Communists at present time when many of you never suffered decades of humiliation, destabilization and total corruption like Chinese people did. Flip open history books, ask yourselves, did KMT represent welfare of the Chinese people?

Mark described it good. War-Lordism and imperialism would have killed China if KMT won the war. Feudalism also prevalent and widely practiced during that period as well.

KMT was really corrupted back in the 1940s. Hundreds of Taiwanese were starved to death when KMT took control -- which paved the way for the 228 Incident in 1947 where Taiwanese united and rebelled against the KMT control. The democracy we see in Taiwan is 50+ years of evolution, I will not credit the progress to the KMT fully because they've done their share of white terror. At times of war people suffer, it is hard to say if KMT would've fared better or worse had they won the war...

I met an older Taiwanese couple in the States. The husband was KMT officer. They both told me KMT did some nasty stuffs (Chiang was a soldier rather than a politician) to the TW protestors.

Mainland Chinese were stuck in the hard place during that time. They took a chance with Communism (organization, patriotism, and free from decades of degradation) because it offered hope while the other offered total chaos.