http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051216/...NlYwMlJVRPUCUl

The just of the story is that the EU is threatening sanctions against Iran for saying the Holocaust is a "myth".

But my question is what the hell is wrong with europe? I just don't get it can someone please explain this to me.

We have people in America who say the Holocaust is a myth, it's not cool but we don't go off the handle about it. However, people who actively try and pursue Nuclear weapons in an effort to use them against us... we tend to care A LOT about that.

So I don't understand the logic in Europe of "oh well if you want nuclear weapons then that's cool BUT THE SECOND YOU MENTION THE HOLOCAUST WE WILL KILL YOU. DO YOU HEAR ME? WE WILL MOTHER F***ING BURY YOU!"

So please help me understand because I'm just not getting it at all.

You've answered your own question. It's Europe.

(No offense to those in Europe that are normal.)

It is a law in europe and denying holocaust is a big crime and can result in imprisonment or suspension of civil rights!

Originally Posted by phoenix80

It is a law in europe and denying holocaust is a big crime and can result in imprisonment or suspension of civil rights!

Okay.

They have laws saying it's cool to have nuclear weapons and intend to use them against Europe?

I don't get it.

Originally Posted by Whispering Death

Okay.

They have laws saying it's cool to have nuclear weapons and intend to use them against Europe?

I don't get it.

You just don't understand Europeans. They are basically socialist, anti-American, EXTREMELY politically correct etc.

They believe that the worst "dirty joke" in human history, the so-called United Nations is actually a good thing!

Who exactly are the "Europeans" you're refering to??
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe

Is Europe a country, and do they all believe in the same thing "over there"?
They sound like a really nasty nation to me....


If you guys really believe yourself what you've been writing there about the "bad Europeans" then I strongly suggest that you try to go outside sometimes, get some fresh air, and look a bit further than your own backyard...

Why do I get teh feeling that trying to expain won't cut it? It has to do with to totally different approaches the States and Europe have.
For us to go to war is not something we do on an assumption. Being the agressor brings many responsibilities and if you think you can't fulfill them, you don't do it.
All of you say right of the bat: Iran will have nuclear capabilities! That worries us to. You say: make sure they won't get them! We say: let's find a proven or well founded reason for denying them the same. This takes time... time which you think is an advantage to them, but you have convicted them before hand.

But if he starts questioning the Holocaust he opens the nastiest wound of European history. Yes you succesfully fought the Germans, but you'll never understand what it means to live in utter fear, the razzia's, the betrayals, the random executions on the street and the industrialized killing of millions. Saying that that is nonsence disqualifies you immidiatly as someone to do business with.

In short: we don't say; Geewhiz, we don't want you to have nuclear capabilities because we say you'll abuse them. We do say: if you disqualify yourself as a negotiation partner... well you're no good to us as such a person. And boycotting you 'till we have a new one is peanuts after that.

You'll probably think this is rubbish, but it is a fundamental difference between you and me. We take innocent untill proven guilty very serious and with proof we do mean tangible evidence.


p.s. Which law do you mean WD?

Originally Posted by Redleg

Who exactly are the "Europeans" you're refering to??
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe

Is Europe a country, and do they all believe in the same thing "over there"?
They sound like a really nasty nation to me....


If you guys really believe yourself what you've been writing there about the "bad Europeans" then I strongly suggest that you try to go outside sometimes, get some fresh air, and look a bit further than your own backyard...

There are certainly significant cultural differences between various European nations. But I think that the generalizations I wrote in my last post apply to a signicant majority of Europeans regardless of nationality.

1. Hatred of the United States. Prevalent among a majority of the citizens of most European nations.

2. Strong support of the bitterly anti-American so-called United Nations.

3. Willigness to appease (and do business with) monsters like Saddam Hussain and the "mad mullahs" of Iran.

4. A truly serious "holier than thou" attitude toward the rest of the world.

5. The grossly mistaken opinion that Europe is more "culturally, socially and politically advanced" than the rest of the world.

Is Europe a single nation? Since the formation of the EU, the Germans certainly think so. In fact, they frequently refer to Europe as "Grosse Deutchland."

Whispering Death

The answer is quiet simple. WWII occurred in Europe, The memory is still very fresh. When people discuss it in a disparging way it opens alot of old wounds. America was mostly untouched during WWII. The country was undamaged, and civilian populations never experianced the terror of Nazi occupation, my Grandmother whose 86 still gets very upset if you mention anything related to the Germans. Europeans dont like the Death penelty, but if a group of Nazi apologists tried spouting their garbage here, I think they would be a serious chance they would be lynched on the spot.

LocalGrizzy

As an American living in France I'm interested to know where you get your information from. I mean that seriously...

1. They hate the US, thats why the keep going to visit the US. France last year had 700,000 tourists of 60 Million people visit the US. And thats why they buy American products by the boatload, and why the French say they greatly admire the US. Can you provide any evidence at all that Europeaners hate America. (NOTE: Criticism of American Foreign Policy is not Anti-Americanism). Just like criticizing Ahmadinejad doesnt mean America is anti-Iran.

2. Again, provide proof that thew UN is vehemently anti-US. Again, criticising American policy is not anti-Americanism. The UN has its problems and needs to be reorganized, but lets be honest. The real reason most conservatives dont like the UN is because the UN refuses to take orders from Washington. Thats why its called 'the UN' and not 'the UN under America'. Every country in the UN has its own provate agenda, America included. Besides, If the UN is so anti-American, why doesnt Bush kick the UN out?

3. Oh and America doesnt? Do you have any idea how many dictators, Islamic fundimentalists screwballs, we have done deals with? Does Donald Rumsfeld shaking Saddams hand ring any bells? Or how about the CIA arming Osama bin Laden in 1985, what about the right wing tyrants in Latin America, or Reagan trading weapons with Iran for U.S hostages, not to mention the charming individuals in charge in places like Saudi Arabia and Kuwait that we have helped over the decades.

4. Again, this just pure hypocracy. Its America thats stands on her soapbox and preaches to the world and not just to Europe. But to Asia, to Africa, to the Middle East etc. America is much more hated around the world than Europe, and thats partly due to our knack for sticking out nose into affairs that dont concern us.

5. Every country on the planet thinks its system is better to everybody elses. Have you ever heard a country say 'why yes we are inferior to suchandsuch'. Are you really going to single out Europe for this? Again, look to your own lawn...

Originally Posted by localgrizzly

There are certainly significant cultural differences between various European nations. But I think that the generalizations I wrote in my last post apply to a signicant majority of Europeans regardless of nationality.

1. Hatred of the United States. Prevalent among a majority of the citizens of most European nations.

2. Strong support of the bitterly anti-American so-called United Nations.

3. Willigness to appease (and do business with) monsters like Saddam Hussain and the "mad mullahs" of Iran.

4. A truly serious "holier than thou" attitude toward the rest of the world.

5. The grossly mistaken opinion that Europe is more "culturally, socially and politically advanced" than the rest of the world.

Is Europe a single nation? Since the formation of the EU, the Germans certainly think so. In fact, they frequently refer to Europe as "Grosse Deutchland."

A lot of your post seems to be directed at this "supposed" hatred of the USA have you ever stopped to think that the vast majority of the world doesnt actually think about the USA at all, in fact the majority of the worlds population contrary to opinion gets up in the morning and goes about their daily business of putting food on the table, keeping themselves and their families happy and safe and at no stage do they even think about you me or anyone else outside their sphere of influence?

Hell half my family are American and I dont think about the place on a reglar basis why would anyone else.

4. A truly serious "holier than thou" attitude toward the rest of the world.

Hmm isnt that a little like the pot calling the kettle black?