It's even simpler than you posted ... all Israel's enemies have to do is to LEAVE ISRAEL ALONE and STOP ATTACKING THEM.


PERIOD

Originally Posted by Damien435

If the Arabs and Palestinians wanted to make peace with Israel it wouldn't be that hard, all they would have to do is quit preaching for the destruction of Israel, sit down, and actually talk to the Israeli's about how to live together peacefully, it's not like Israel hasn't been willing to hear offers in the past, but if the Arabs and Palestinians betray their word again and attack Israel, Israel will once again be forced to show them who holds the real power in that region of the world.

Thats true, but its only half the picture. While its true that certain Palestineans dont wish to negoiciate, there is also a small but influencial group of Jewish Extremists who also refuse to negiociate and who view the arabs as garbage. These are particularly true within the settlements. There have been Isreal Prime ministers in the past who simply refused to deal with the Arabs, Begin, and Yitzak Shamir were total hardliners, and Benyamin Netenyahu was certainly no dove either. Even a younger Ariel Sharon was a firestarter this what he said in 1980...

"On his settlement policy, Sharon said while addressing a meeting of the Tsomet Party: "Everybody has to move, run and grab as many (Palestinian) hilltops as they can to enlarge the (Jewish) settlements because everything we take now will stay ours... Everything we don't grab will go to them." (Agence France Presse, 15 November 1998.)"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariel_Sharon


So while in the past few years that might be true, it hasnt been always the case.

Their roots go back continuously for better than 3,300 years ... no other country can make that claim.

Maybe the Australian Aboriginals perhaps.
You know, what with going back 40,000 years, and to this day still following the same cultures and traditions.

And considering much points to the African origin of homosapies I bet there are some roots that go back alot futher.

Originally Posted by AlexKall

And considering much points to the African origin of homosapies I bet there are some roots that go back alot futher.

That was a little before any people or Homo Sapiens started thinking about whose country was whose. I think written history is more along the line of who was where when. Of course, archaelogical evidence is needed to back up claims.

Originally Posted by Missileer

That was a little before any people or Homo Sapiens started thinking about whose country was whose. I think written history is more along the line of who was where when. Of course, archaelogical evidence is needed to back up claims.

Haha true, possibly true about Australia aswell heh

Originally Posted by mmarsh

Thats true, but its only half the picture. While its true that certain Palestineans dont wish to negoiciate, there is also a small but influencial group of Jewish Extremists who also refuse to negiociate and who view the arabs as garbage. These are particularly true within the settlements. There have been Isreal Prime ministers in the past who simply refused to deal with the Arabs, Begin, and Yitzak Shamir were total hardliners, and Benyamin Netenyahu was certainly no dove either. Even a younger Ariel Sharon was a firestarter this what he said in 1980...

Why don't you go out and say it, you support Hezbolla don't you?

This is such a one sided statement thats its hard to believe your not either totally biased or simply ignorant of what is truly going on in Middle East.

You mention how a few Jews treat the Arabs as garbage, yet you fail to mention the majority of the Muslim world looks to Israel with contempt and views the Jews vermin and a source of evil in this world.

How are you even going to negotiate with people like that who are bascily looking for any excuse at conflict and the destruction of Israel. Who are simply using the Palestinians (who they don't even care for) as leverage for this end purpose.

So you basicly expect Israel to give in to people whose ultimate aim is to see Israels extinction in order to fullfiil the words of Mohamed.

Here is a poll of how Muslim countries feel about Jews, (this poll pre-dates the current conflict in Lebanon so can't say that is the reason for this, it was this way long before it started), you have no idea how much hate for Israel there is in the Middle East, for nothing more than simply existing.





Muslim Views of Jews

...a large-scale attitudinal survey conducted by The Pew Research Center in 2006, puts the cards on the table when it comes to Muslim views of Jews.

The study revealed endemic anti-Jewish sentiment in the Muslim world.

Percentage of Muslims with Unfavorable Views of Jews:

• Jordan - 100 percent
• Lebanon - 99 percent
• Egypt - 98 percent
• Morocco - 88 percent
• Indonesia - 76 percent
• Pakistan - 74 percent
• Turkey - 60 percent

http://judaism.about.com/od/american...uslimviews.htm

Gladius

Careful Gladius, that first comment is very close to slander. I never once mentioned any support for Hezbollah, please don't suggest that I did.

Its not a one-sided statement, as I said its the OTHER SIDE OF THE PICTURE. No war is completely one sided, and I am sorry to have to tell you this, but the Isrealis do share responibility in this Middle Eastern mess. They are not completely blameless as you suggest.

I am well aware that Jews are not liked in the Muslim world, but that in no way means that all the muslims want to see Isreal Destroyed. If you believe that, then you've swallowed the propaganda of the Isreali Far right. Like I said, there are two sides of every coin. Most muslims wish to live in peace with Isreal (aka the two state solution).

http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/inde...m/itemID/12493

There are Muslims that would like to kill Jews, there are Jews who like to kill Arabs. Dr. Baruch Goldstien for example. The JDL is another extemist group. The JDL is listed as a terrorist group by the FBI.

So there are extremists/fundimentalists on both sides...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baruch_Goldstein
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JDL

Muslims are very protective of one another, if they see Islam being threatened by non-muslims they will react, justly or unjustly that is their nature. Just look at the Danish cartoons scandals for proof. Most arnt as anti-semitic (or anti Danish) as the are protective of Islam.

At the same time, I won't deny that their are those such as Iran that use the Palestine Issue as to further their agenda. So the answer to your question is some truly are concerned by the Palstinean and those that exploit it, like most things in politics...

The fact remains this, there have times where both Isreal and the Palestineans have refused to negociate with each other. As of present, its Hamas thats the problem, but there have been times before, espically 10 years ago under Likud leadership where its been the Isrealis who refused to deal. As I showed you in Sharon's infamous remarks above...

The two-state solution is to reduce Israel to indefensable thin strip of land. Who are you kidding, if you don't think this is a step to reduce Israel to eventual extinction.

All muslims do NOT want to destroy Israel. But the Influence that does want to destroy Israel is so common and prevasive in the Muslim world that there is no getting away from it. This mentality is so engrained that it always filters its way to Muslim policy towards the eventualy destroying Israel. This is not Jewish extremist propaganda this is reality.

The radical Islamic influence is too strong to counter for any peaceful solution. The only way to deal with this is to get rid of the radical influence, which is not going to happen unless there is a region wide democratization of new ideas and thinking.

Palestine will get a state there will be peace for a few years. Then the Islamic radical influence which is so prevalent will rear itself again and find other excuses to start conflict with Israel. Its all the same story.

Your naive if you ever think, if Israel would give in now and give them what they want that will be the end of the conflict. Sure, and when the Europe gave Hitler a piece of Checkoslovakia he was content and he never bothered anyone again.

The two-state solution is to reduce Israel to indefensable thin strip of land. Who are you kidding, if you don't think this is a step to reduce Israel to eventual extinction.

Most Isrealis AND Palstineans wouldnt agree with that. The 2 State solution means just that, 2 independent countries. This poll in 2002 conducted suggested 44% of Palestineans.

http://www.chicagopeacenow.org/new-poll.html

All muslims do NOT want to destroy Israel. But the Influence that does want to destroy Israel is so common and prevasive in the Muslim world that there is no getting away from it. This mentality is so engrained that it always filters its way to Muslim policy towards the eventualy destroying Israel. This is not Jewish extremist propaganda this is reality.

The extremist mentality is vocal and gets too much media coverage but it still remains small.

The radical Islamic influence is too strong to counter for any peaceful solution. The only way to deal with this is to get rid of the radical influence, which is not going to happen unless there is a region wide democratization of new ideas and thinking.

That is precisely what they want you to think. Thats one of the reasons for terror attacks, to make you believe that they are more powerful than they really are. Remember the IRA, they thought they were the top dog in Northern Ireland until the people there got sick of the endless bloodshed and commanded them to negiociate with the British. Fundimentalist are powerless if they dont have public support. Which is why they hate to negociate. Negociation robs fundimentalists of their power, which is why the resort to violence in order to keep the hatred alive.

Palestine will get a state there will be peace for a few years. Then the Islamic radical influence which is so prevalent will rear itself again and find other excuses to start conflict with Israel. Its all the same story.

Not if all issues are worked out. The ordinary Palestineans are just as fed up of the violence as the Isrealis. I remind you that during the Arafat-Barack negiociations there was over a year and a half of calm.

Your naive if you ever think, if Israel would give in now and give them what they want that will be the end of the conflict. Sure, and when the Europe gave Hitler a piece of Checkoslovakia he was content and he never bothered anyone again.

That Anology doesnt work. Czechoslovakia was never part of Germany, not even the Sudatenland was. Hitler made a land grab pure and simple. Here the situation is reversed, the Isrealis grabbed land that didnt belong to them in 1967 from the Palestineans. The Palestineans want it back in order to form a new country. Will it end the conflict completely and immediatly? No. Not for at least a decade or two. But it would be a hell of a step in the right direction. Just at the misery the Isrealis have gotten for trying to keep it. If the Isrealis and Palestineans want peace they will have to sit down at the bargining table. Everybody knows this, even the terrorists.