It is normally courtesy to ask before landing aircraft laden with bombs at a busy civilian airport. Now what was America trying to prove, why not land these planes at an American Air Base in England. I wonder what America would say if British planes started to land at Kennedy Airport laden with all sorts of bombs with out even asking permission.

Originally Posted by EagleHammer

And for the other thing I don't belive it have had the Name Israel true out History, The could have given them a Piece of Germany Instead of someone elses country.

Brilliant! All of the Holocaust survivors would just love a piece of the country that just barely tried to exterminate them! That way, they can be right next door just in case the Germans want to have another go at it. Sorry, but I don’t think that the Jews would have gone for it. And no I’m not saying anything about the Germans being racist today, but I AM saying that the Jews in 1945 would have thought this suggestion was completely insane.

Originally Posted by Englander2

One cannot just turn the clock back to what used to be 3 thousand years ago, but the Israelis could return to the borders of 1948! Perhaps then we would have peace.

You do realize that it was the Arabs who attacked first with those 1948 borders in place, don’t you?? You do realize that Hezbollah and Hamas are determined to drive Israel and its people from ALL of their land, right?? How on Earth would Israel “have peace” by giving up a bunch of land? All of that land they would be giving back was taken when the Arabs attacked and Israel counterattacked. The Arabs don’t seem to have a concept of peacefully co-existing with Israel, so why should the Israelis be the ones making concessions. No “peace agreement” with the Palestinians has hindered the extremists among the Palestinians from murder, bombing, and terrorism. If you ask me, the Israelis have only worsened their terrorist problem by giving in to world-wide pressure and working to give the Palestinians their own nation, etc. Why didn’t they do so before? Because they knew that the Palestinians would use an independent West Bank and Gaza Strip as a base from which to launch both military and terrorist attacks against Israel. The “peace process” thus far has proven this to be true. Israel gains nothing and only gets screwed.

Granted, the Palestinians are the ones that pretty much got screwed when the Nation of Israel was establish in the 1940’s, but rather than spouting all this BS about “If the USA gave up all its land … bla, bla, bla …” let’s be realistic. Israel holds the land that it holds. Yes, it held it anciently and then lost it. Pretty much every nation in Europe was forged on the bloody corpses of the former owners of those lands. If the creation of the State of Israel was a amoral mistake, it way to long ago to change it now. The Arab world has inflicted far worse on the Armenians, and there has been no justice done for them. Israel controls the borders that they control and if Israel owes the Palestinians land, then the Polish owe Germany A LOT of land and England needs to grant Wales and Scotland their independence. In the end, life ain’t necessarily fair.

The US should give Israel all the weapons that they need because they are actually fighting the very same war.
The Palestinians have lost all their credibility after they elected Hamas into power and Lebanese should have kicked the terrorist scumbags out of their country before. Now the Israelis are taking care of that, and rightly so.

Now I qoute a TV Series Called E-Ring (I Think) : One Man's Terrorist Is another man's Freedom Fighter, Or SomeThing like that.

Originally Posted by EagleHammer

Now I qoute a TV Series Called E-Ring (I Think) : One Man's Terrorist Is another man's Freedom Fighter, Or SomeThing like that.

And that notion is completely wrong!
As long as you don't understand that those Moslem fanatics hate you as much as the Americans and just a little bit less than the Jews, then those people would be getting your support.
Until they will need something FROM YOU....

Italian Guy


The US should give Israel all the weapons that they need because they are actually fighting the very same war.

1. While the US might not like Hamas, we are not at war with them. Arming one side might be seen as an Act of War by the other. This is exactly what happened during the Battle of the Atlantic 1940. I really dont think we want to worry about Hamas when Iran's Hezbollah, al Qaida, and the Taliban are still around.

The Palestinians have lost all their credibility after they elected Hamas into power.

2. This is the same problem with Chavez in Venezuela. In both cases we have governments that are unfriendly to the US, but were democratically elected. As irritating as they might be, It would be an enormously damaging to America's image (the little thats left) to be seen trying to undermine the very type of Democracy we are trying to create.

and Lebanese should have kicked the terrorist scumbags out of their country before.

I agree that would be best. But how could Lebanon do that? They have no military. Hezbollahs fighters are more numerous, much better trained and equipped than the Lebanese Army.

http://www.cfr.org/publication/11135/#7

Now the Israelis are taking care of that, and rightly so.

It would seem that they are more likely unifying all the Arabs against Isreal, including the Christian Arabs. At somepoint Isreal will lose this standoff. Because America will grow tired of supporting them without peace and the fact that there are 6 million Isrealis, and 300 Million Arabs.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion...-30-qana_x.htm

So basically this is what has happened in the middle east.

1500 b.c. Israel founded.
1000 b.c. Babylonians conquer Israel
800 b.c. Persians conquers land that now comprises Israel.
500 b.c. Alexander conquers Persians.
200 b.c. Romans conquer Palestine.
800 a.d. Muslims capture Jerusalem.
800 a.d. - 1300 a.d. Jerusalem changes hands several times between Muslims and Christians.
1800's - 1918 a.d. Britain somehow or another aquires Palestine along with other parts of the Middle East.
1948 a.d. British (the current rulers of Palestine) break up Palestine into two nations, Israel and Palestine, land distribution approx. 55% for Israel, 45% Palestinians.
1948 a.d. Six Arab nations attack Israel, Israel facing odds greater than 10-1 kicks the holy out of the Arabs.
1948 a.d. Israel punishes Arabs for stupidity, incompetence and incredibly bad luck, redraws lines of the British Mandate so Israel can better defend herself.
1948 a.d. Believing that the Arabs will eventually destroy the Jews, Palestinians CHOOSE to leave lands of Israel, West Bank, Gaza Strip and Golan Heights.
1948 a.d. to Present. Israel fends off numerous attacks by Syria, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabie, Lebanon, Jordan and Syria and each time gives the Arabs another swift kick in the balls.
1948 to Present. After seeing numerous Arab attacks fail, Palestinians realize their own stupidity in leaving their homes but refuse to acknowledge said stupidity, whine and complain that the United States is the real power behind Israel, not the Israeli's own competence in dealing with the incompetent dictators that whip the Arabs into a frenzy before leading them into suicide attacks.
1948 to Present. Palestinians and Arabs repeatedly attack Israeli civilians while simultaneously ing when Israeli bombs kill civilians behind which the Palestinians and Arabs hide.
1948 to Present. United States allows Israel to beat the hell out of Arabs nations who repeatedly attack Israel in disorganized and chaotic fashions.
1948 to Present. Not believing their own stupidity to be the true cause, Arabs and Palestinians continue to blame United States for the "suffering" of the Palestinians as a result of their decision to leave their homes to live in Arab nations that don't have a strong enough economy so support 900,000 Palestinian refugees. Thousands die but this is of course the fault of the United States, yet again.
1948 to Present. SSDD. Palestinian suicide bombers kills dozens of Israeli civilians, Israel responds by bombing military targets in nations harboring said suicide bombers.
1987 - Present. Two times a week I see news reports of "renewed" (continuing) fighting between Arabs and Israeli's.

That about sums it up Damien. Well said.

Originally Posted by boris116

And that notion is completely wrong!
As long as you don't understand that those Moslem fanatics hate you as much as the Americans and just a little bit less than the Jews, then those people would be getting your support.
Until they will need something FROM YOU....

I just mean that if The States would bomb my country, and overtrow the Government, i might kill American Soldiers, so it seems that those called Terrorists don't have a Goverment that tells the world that there doing the right thing, while United States kill People By using Teknology Instead of RoadSide bombs, and that their Government is clever, So that they can Convince the rest of the world they are fighting for the right cause.

So what i mean is that i understand them.

Here's the difference between the United States and these terrorist sons of .

The United States Government goes about making war in a manner that involves as much, if not more effort towards not harming civilians as we do killing the enemy. Terrorists go around trying to kill as many civilians as possible. Civilians are killed by American bombs when something goes wrong with the weapon itself and it misses its intended target. Civilians are killed by terrorist bombs when everything the terrorist do happen as planned.

If the Arabs and Palestinians wanted to make peace with Israel it wouldn't be that hard, all they would have to do is quit preaching for the destruction of Israel, sit down, and actually talk to the Israeli's about how to live together peacefully, it's not like Israel hasn't been willing to hear offers in the past, but if the Arabs and Palestinians betray their word again and attack Israel, Israel will once again be forced to show them who holds the real power in that region of the world.