Originally Posted by Ted

What lie? Who told this lie? I'm not a well informed person and KIA's during the hurricane... So who said this and what was the purpose and what do color of your skin have to do with leftist rhetorics?

Absolutely nothing at all but if it isnt true it has to be "leftist rhetoric" and if it is true and comes from the left then it is twisted statistic's created by the "left wing media" come on man play the game, in this case it is a right wing editorial therefore it is gospel as we all know the right doesnt lie, bend the truth or misrepresent facts and figures.

Sadly IG I really dont have a lot of support for those that try and make political capital out of disasters (left and right inclusive).

I agree with Missleer though, a lot of people dont report themselves ethnically as most see themselves first and foremost by nationality.

I'll stick to MonteyB..... I hadn't read the article "that" carefully and things have gotten clearer. But it is indeed the work of people screaming on the tops of their lungs in the heat of the moment. Grab this soundbite juice it a bit and you have rethorics.
It's a bit like making an exageration into "just another lie by leftist...." If you would have asked Jackson on his face :"Rev. did more blacks die and can you proove this?" He'll probably wouldn't say yes. It is a media gadget and yes the left uses this technic just like the right.

I know one thing for sure. During the week of Hurricane Katrina, at the end of August, our Italian newspapers (leftist newspapers, 80 % of the total) kept repeating how racist American society was, because the "blacks are being left to die alone" and "the only whites who are dying are the elders" and this and that. A few examples from the most important Italian newspapers:

1. "Michael Moore attacks the White House: Abandoned because they're black" (La Repubblica).
2. "The outrageous abandonment of the poor blacks" (La Repubblica).
3. "A tragedy of American liberism: The rich get richer and the poor get poorer and more vulnerable to disasters" (Liberazione).
4. "Those who couldn't find rescue from the disaster, expect for a few exceptions, are all black skinned. And if they're white, they are the elders" (Il Manifesto).
5. "This disaster has above all hit the blacks, the poor" (L'Unità).

Oh come on. Hurricane Katrina had killed almost exclusively Afro-Americans, and it was the prove of how racist the US still was. That was what our leftist politicians and journalists and media kept saying.
I know for a fact that the same exact thing happened in the US (and our US members here agree with me, and the article I posted above shows the LA Times saying "the Los Angeles Times ran an excellent article, also on Dec. 18, that began this way: "The bodies of New Orleans residents killed by Hurricane Katrina were almost as likely to be recovered from middle-class neighborhoods as from the city's poorer districts, such as the Lower 9th Ward." The paper reported that its own analysis "contradicts what swiftly became conventional wisdom in the days after the storm hit -- that it was the city's poorest African-American residents who bore the brunt of the hurricane)."
And I also know for a fact that German and French politicians often mentioned the "racist attitude" of the US society that let the blacks die in disproportionate numbers.
Now, if the Dutch and Aussie socialist/liberal reporters and politicians were the only ones in this world who didn't use these lies, I'm sorry but I'm not going to buy it.

Originally Posted by Ted

What lie? Who told this lie? I'm not a well informed person and KIA's during the hurricane... So who said this and what was the purpose and what do color of your skin have to do with leftist rhetorics?

Wondering the same, where did socialism come into this?

Oh it was regarding a "left socialistic" italian newspaper now it must be so that all leftish socialistic people think the same as this newspaper

Originally Posted by AlexKall

Oh it was regarding a "left socialistic" italian newspaper now it must be so that all leftish socialistic people think the same as this newspaper

You must have missed a large part of my latest comment. Not one newspaper, but all the major four of them. I'm glad European left is so good and much better than the Italian one. Makes me even more persuaded our Prime Minister is right when he says our left is not the same as the other European left parties, but much more anti-American and liar.

Originally Posted by Italian Guy

I know one thing for sure. During the week of Hurricane Katrina, at the end of August, our Italian newspapers (leftist newspapers, 80 % of the total) kept repeating how racist American society was, because the "blacks are being left to die alone" and "the only whites who are dying are the elders" and this and that. A few examples from the most important Italian newspapers:

1. "Michael Moore attacks the White House: Abandoned because they're black" (La Repubblica).
2. "The outrageous abandonment of the poor blacks" (La Repubblica).
3. "A tragedy of American liberism: The rich get richer and the poor get poorer and more vulnerable to disasters" (Liberazione).
4. "Those who couldn't find rescue from the disaster, expect for a few exceptions, are all black skinned. And if they're white, they are the elders" (Il Manifesto).
5. "This disaster has above all hit the blacks, the poor" (L'Unità).

Oh come on. Hurricane Katrina had killed almost exclusively Afro-Americans, and it was the prove of how racist the US still was. That was what our leftist politicians and journalists and media kept saying.
I know for a fact that the same exact thing happened in the US (and our US members here agree with me, and the article I posted above shows the LA Times saying "the Los Angeles Times ran an excellent article, also on Dec. 18, that began this way: "The bodies of New Orleans residents killed by Hurricane Katrina were almost as likely to be recovered from middle-class neighborhoods as from the city's poorer districts, such as the Lower 9th Ward." The paper reported that its own analysis "contradicts what swiftly became conventional wisdom in the days after the storm hit -- that it was the city's poorest African-American residents who bore the brunt of the hurricane)."
And I also know for a fact that German and French politicians often mentioned the "racist attitude" of the US society that let the blacks die in disproportionate numbers.
Now, if the Dutch and Aussie socialist/liberal reporters and politicians were the only ones in this world who didn't use these lies, I'm sorry but I'm not going to buy it.

look IG, I'll be quite honest with you. I'm from south Louisiana, and I went to NO after the storm. Saying that "only blacks were killed/displaced" is complete and utter nonsense. I've took in and met white and black people from NO, and they're all in the same boat. Our family owned a home we'd planned to rent before Rita hit- now we've had to gut the dang thing and it'll be a while before it's put to use. Nature kills indiscriminately- to say that nature's will is the result of politics is pure bull.

That being said, I was appalled at the response of the media, the victims, and the government in handling this- NO had a plan in place; it wasn't enforced. Martial law was declared AFTER people were being robbed and raped in the Super Dome. And yes, of COURSE New Orleans will have a high black attrition rate- it's predominantly black! The wind system isn't being racist, the gov't's just acting inefficiently.

I wasn't addressing the FEMA or the gov't inefficiency, Deerslayer, I was addressing the charges of racism, which you confirmed to have been pure bull.
I hope your area is back to normal now, or decent at least.

New Orleans is going to take years to recover, but our place (which we never occupied anyway) is fine. Sorry about the mini-rant on government inefficiency. Blanco's response was stifled by the fact that the magnitude of hte damage wasn't fully comprehended. Racism... that's natural to assume, because most people might not be aware of the percentage of African Americans living in New Orleans. That can be forgiven, but not condoned.

The part that hacks me off is that three or four (hundred) people will go off complaining about their own little horror stories, when in fact, others who are in the same boat will proceed almost immediately to pick up the pieces of their shattered lives.

I sure agree with you on that. The latter ones you mentioned are truly admirable.

I'm not exactly a huge fan of Bush or our current administration, but it riles me when people exploit tragedy for stupidity (or even worse, political purposes)