What people need to do is mind their business, it frustrates me when people lecture others on how to run their country and behave like they are the world's police man. Imagine if you and your spouse had a dispute on how to run your home and raise your children, the man and the woman have arguments and bickering....the man feeling that he wears the pants in the house lets say abuses his wife and misbehaves. Now lets look at this scenario; we all know of that one neighbor that always is noosy and interferes in ppls business, so lets say that neighbor came to the family's house with a gun , forcefully evicts the husband and takes over running and managing the family and starts to control everything , instead of reporting what ever happend to the appropriate authorites...........Get the Picture now ! That is the way America is acting when it interferes in other nations business whether its the ruler like the husband was abusing his wife abusing his subjects, or a country does not want to take orders from America. America instead of letting the proper authorities deal with it (i.e. UN and other organizations) takes its army and deals with those countries like that neighbor took the gun into the family's house.


Now lets go back to Somalia, what has happend their is what has happend with so many countries, America either physically intervened (i.e. Iraq, Afghanistan, Panama, Vietnam, Grenada, Korea, Libya, Sudan) or let its local allies deal with it (i.e. Cuba, Nicaragua, Colombia, Lebanon, Palestine, Zimbabwe, Angola) and now in this case giving Ethiopia the go ahead to go into Somalia.

The questions I want to address now is:
1) Is it right to interfer in other nations internal affairs?
2) Why are we preaching do as we say not as we do?
3) And why does the U.S. act hypocritically when it comes to their interests?
For example we fought the 1st Gulf war b/c we said Iraq invaded a soverign nation Kuwait without the authority of the international community, but at the same time we supported it when it invaded a soverign nation Iran and even more blatantly we invaded iraq in the 2nd Gulf war without the authority of the UN or the international community, so we did exactly what we said the first time we was stopping the from doing

Who are you? Why not start with an introduction in the proper sub-forum... most people don't like talking to people they don't "know".

I understand what you are saying bulldogg, I did make an intro though at welcoming forum.

Originally Posted by Somalia

The questions I want to address now is:
1) Is it right to interfer in other nations internal affairs?
2) Why are we preaching do as we say not as we do?
3) And why does the U.S. act hypocritically when it comes to their interests?
For example we fought the 1st Gulf war b/c we said Iraq invaded a soverign nation Kuwait without the authority of the international community, but at the same time we supported it when it invaded a soverign nation Iran and even more blatantly we invaded iraq in the 2nd Gulf war without the authority of the UN or the international community, so we did exactly what we said the first time we was stopping the from doing

1. Difficult question on one hand you have some pretty brutal dictators out there who sorely need a few grams of lead to balance their views however there is also the argument that if a nations people are not prepared to do something about these people themselves then why should a another country do it for them. Perhaps the old maxim of not respecting things you are given as much things you earn applies in this case.

On a domestic/peaceful level well all countries meddle in each others affairs and have done since politics and nationalism got together.

2 & 3 Well that is the nature of politics, preaching and hypocracy are not solely American vices once again they are practiced by every country on earth.

MontyB as the voice of reason... hell hath frozen over.


Somalia, I believe this is a topic I will NOT discuss with you because it is too close to home for you. You spoke of bias in your introduction and I would argue your bias being a Somali is too strong to be able to truly appreciate this from a third point of view. I wish you success in your studies and I hope for your homeland to develop a government of concensus that treats its own people with respect and can integrate itself into the world community.

I agree with you for the most part Somali. I don't get why America has to invade these countries. Ultimately, if we just minded our own business we'd be in a stronger position militarily and economically and the invaded/liberated country would have to solve its own damn problems. Pull itself up by the bootstraps, rather than rely on the generosity/arrogance of the first world countries.

We left Somlia, that was considered a victory for Al Qada, who helped train the Somli fighters to shoot down American Helicopters, (and did, days before the battle of Mogadishu, a 101st Airborne Black Hawk at night)

Al Qada wanted all Western (specificly U.S. ) forces out of Africa.

But thats a different story, a lot , I mean a lot has changed since then. When we pulled out, we tarnished our reputation. Spread the idea of, the United States being (afraid to die).

Which, frightening enough, we are.......

The only way I think would be truely effective in building new stronger nations, like we are trying to do in Iraq and Afhganistan. Is to stop biding all these laws and regulations of warfare we made in the years after WW l.
Stope trying to be nice to people , we have the advantage in almost every way, we are a super power, quit being politically just in our campgains, and kick down doors, and blow buildings to restore our image, bruatlity is what we are fighting, beheadings? Dead civilians? Sucide bombers?

Violence, brutality, its sad, and horrific I know, but, I am begining to think that the only way to achieve these goals in fighting the most current battles in the war on terror, is to fight fire with fire.

Its sad it has come to this, but, this will be our childerens childerens war...

Spell check is your friend and I don't think its time to wave the white flag just yet Sukio.

Originally Posted by Sukio

The only way I think would be truely effective in building new stronger nations, like we are trying to do in Iraq and Afhganistan. Is to stop biding all these laws and regulations of warfare we made in the years after WW l.
Stope trying to be nice to people , we have the advantage in almost every way, we are a super power, quit being politically just in our campgains, and kick down doors, and blow buildings to restore our image, bruatlity is what we are fighting, beheadings? Dead civilians? Sucide bombers?

Well I can see that history has taught you nothing. Occupying armies throughout history have tried what you are suggesting and usually ended up finding themselves as occupied.

Afghanistan is a slightly scenario as it never had a unified administration but in Iraq you sailed into a country and removed its entire administration without having a replacement ready to step straight in and it has devolved into anarchy, Al Queda and various other terrorist groups have taken advantage of this and now you have a mess of epic proportions and your suggestion is to go in and start blowing things up I am sure that wont be a great recruiting campaign for the opposition.

Its sad it has come to this, but, this will be our childerens childerens war...

Indeed and a sizable chunk of the world was telling you this 5 years ago as well.

Brutality has worked in some cases, in medevil times, exterminating the population, meant that when you had no one able to hold a sword, then, you would have no problem holding that territory.

But, times change, and still you can see the rift between the West, and their way of thinking, and governing, and the Third World nations, and their way of thinking, and governing.

They, live in violence, they are desensitized. I dont think that some politians, the ones calling all the shots understand how they think, and fight, and how normal procedures for nation building (if there are any) can't be applied easly in third world countries.