Originally Posted by Sukio

Not terror tactics, just over agressive tactics that make them think twice before engaging in violence with a western power.

I mean , its like sitting on top of all our technology , and training, and saying,

(nope cant use these to scare and inspire fear into the heart of our terrorist enemies, causes its agiast the laws of warfare we set down of 7 decades ago. So we are going to let them kill us and exploit it to grow and expand to new areas, attack new targets and kill more civilians)

Soldiers airmen , sailors, and marines are working pretty hard all over the world. But, it seems many of them are trained and sometimes equipted to fight a uniformed international law biding military force, "army vs. army".
I think the western led coalition should be more aggressive , and hunt them down, not watch and know were the are and are going and stopping the chase, they know no borders, they will go to any limit, shatter any law, fight "unjustly". I think we should know that by now.

Think about it, if one of their fighters capture one of ours, heck doesnt even have to be a fighter, they torture, and possibly kill that captured person, if we capture one of them, we arrest them and send them to a prison with a stable food and water supply?

I think minds on both sides are set to different channels here... They are fighting us in most cases with pure, hatred.

And we are fighting it by global laws, which, they know none, and have none...

Which, I think if that continues, this will be a long struggle between two radically different ideals.

The problem comes when both sides call themselves "freedom fighters".

Overaggressive tactics, hmm why haven´t anyone that´s been downrange thought of that?
Fact is they did, but how aggressive do you have to be to make people willing to die for their cause "think twice"?

Technology and training can and are implemented as is, and in no manner is that impaired by the Geneva convention.

I know soldiers are working hard, I really don´t think you are in any position telling me "how hard soldiers work".
What insight do you have into how OEF troops work?
How can you say, "I think they should work more aggressive?
Do you think that OEF soldiers should operate inside for example Pakistan, and if that is what you are saying how do you know they aren´t currently doing so?
Because you haven´t seen it on the news?

Do you think Guantanamo under "copper green" rules is a resort?

Ofcourse the two sides have different ideals, very few wars have been fought between two nations with the same ideals.

Problem IMHO is when the sheepdog becomes a wolf to fight other wolves.

How about them thoughts?

You can say all you want bulldog, I merely stated facts and offered my take on those facts. Just cuz I am smart enough to use my common sense and gather the facts and look into stuff before I believe what I heard from Fox news and CNN does not make me a terrorist. U can believe what you want about me that your are entitled to your opinions, but im not going to start name calling with you it is below me.

You are obviously angry because you are unable to disprove my point and my facts; Therefore, you resort to belligerency. I have nothing against America, just its foreign policy I disagree with.

You may not like what I write but im sorry to dissappoint you so far you have not intelligently and factually backed up your refute to my case.

I am willing to hear concrete and true facts if you disagree with my postings, so lets discuss things intelligently without belligerency.

All I am saying in this post is the way to achieve peace like Switzerland and Canada amongst many other nations is to simply leave others alone and you in turn will be left alone. NOW FOLLOW MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT FOR A MINUTE I AM ABOUT TO PLAY DEVILS ADVOCATE WITH MYSELF, lets forget the whole thing I was saying about the way to attain peace is to give peace, lets say America wants to truely spread democracy like they say they want and therefore under this claim lets for a minute say that under this pretext of spreading democracy that they were right to use force in Iraq, then if this claim of spreading democracy is true then they should also get rid of Mubarak's regime who has been in power for 25yrs, Jordan and the Saudi's athoratarian regimes. But they are not doing such.......see what I mean ppl?

I am not the one who is discrediting America's aims, they have done that themselves I am just smart enough to notice the contradictions in policy and have the sense to actually point them out.

And I am sorry to say but even if i believe you bulldog and say American gov is their because they want to spread democracy, and for a minute stop pointing out the mistake of why we are their how we broke the international law that states no nations must transgress on another no matter what their government is if they are not a threat to international peace, their support of other despots in that region defeats America's claim of support for democracy. And to top that of, and I ask you to prove me wrong...we are attempting to remove the Hamas of Palestine that was elected in an EU supervised vote, so those 2 things discredit and contradict America's claims...................

Son, assumption is the mother of all **** ups... I simply asked a question. You seem to think I have said things that I did not. What else did the voices tell you? Let's back up and review what I have said to you in this thread...

Who are you? Why not start with an introduction in the proper sub-forum... most people don't like talking to people they don't "know".

Somalia, I believe this is a topic I will NOT discuss with you because it is too close to home for you. You spoke of bias in your introduction and I would argue your bias being a Somali is too strong to be able to truly appreciate this from a third point of view. I wish you success in your studies and I hope for your homeland to develop a government of concensus that treats its own people with respect and can integrate itself into the world community.

So Somalia how do you feel about al-fatah or hezzbolah? Do they have your support and empathy? Do tell. Me thinks I smell the stench of extremist islam in your words. But I will wait for your clarification rather than assuming...

Tracking??

Did explaining my argument help you understand were im coming from better? and do you understand what i mean by America contradicting itself?

I've drunk that kool-aid and been down that road myself... you won't convince me to believe the hype on this one son... best to move on and sniff at another tree.

Bulldog, go back to my lasts replys tell me were u see Islamic extremism in my arguments? or you just playing character defamations in the hopes that somehow it will help in your arguments that can't stand the test of sound reasoning?

I just merely state the facts whether u like it or not I even played devils advocate with myself in the hopes of you and your like minds can better understand where im coming from.

Somalia, I believe this is a topic I will NOT discuss with you because it is too close to home for you. You spoke of bias in your introduction and I would argue your bias being a Somali is too strong to be able to truly appreciate this from a third point of view. I wish you success in your studies and I hope for your homeland to develop a government of concensus that treats its own people with respect and can integrate itself into the world community.

Bulldogg, You see i dont let emotions get to me, You are more then welcome to speak your mind, and I would really love to see what you have to say about the argument I made.

Yes I am originally from Somalia but in now way would it be hard for me to hear any logical constuctive criticism. Feel free to speak your mind about my argument in a intelligent way, I actually welcome third party views, I am very open to that, because I am about ppl speaking their mind in a coherent and intelligently as long as the arguments dont get belligerent. SO FEEL FREE BULLDOGG!

Don't you think you should advise your countrymen in Minneapolis airport instead of advising us here on the issues we know better than you may do?

Phoenix80, you may claim you know better than me on this issue but i beg to differ, by just claiming that you know better than me on this issue is not good enough and won't compensate for your lack of solid facts, intelligent and coherent rebuttal.

Instead of claiming u know better you might want actually present your side and facts to disprove my argument, try that for change