About The War of 1812 Page 4
|October 20th, 2004||#31|
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Does that mean that Great Britain lost, the United States lost and Canada won?
I for one am not naive enough to say that the United States won. They didn't. Neither did Britain (though admittedly, the British were a tad preoccupied with Europe at that time -- the USA was lucky that was the case.)
Great Britain was being a bit of a bully and the neighborhood 90 pound weakling fought back. Britain didn't go all-out and ultimately decides to respect the USA's independence and their rights on the high seas. The USA pulled off some incredible victories against ridiculous odds. They also lost badly in a lot of circumstances. Its a David and Goliath scenario. Sorta like USSR invading Finland - everybody knew that the Soviets should have easily won. Somehow, the Finns managed miracle after miracle, though they didn't win every battle.
"It is well that war is so terrible, else we should grow too fond of it."
- General Robert E. Lee
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|October 20th, 2004||#33|
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Yes but China has a reasonable excuse: their government creatively rewrites their history for them and they don't necessarily have all the facts accurately presented. Canadians have access to all the data but don't appear to be willing to drop the point. "We won America, you're just in denial."
|October 20th, 2004||#34|
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No concessions were made by either side and the borders stayed exactly as they were before the war.
Same with the War of 1812, the British may have gained nothing, but they didn't lose anything either.
In a war when a nation is attacked it is not always required for that nation to gain anything for it to 'win' the war, sometimes just holding on to, or regaining what is attacked is enough.
In the War of 1812 the US was the aggressor nation, and it failed to gain anything. Its war aims were not met.
The British didn't have any real war aims at the start, they didn't want the war. The only ones they had, were to retain British North America, and to end the war as quickly as possible with as few concessions as they could manage. While the war was not ended quickly the other two aims were met
If in doubt...... Panic!!!!!!!!
|October 20th, 2004||#35|
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In effect, we have Britain deciding, "Well, since we're at war, we probably ought to sack the enemy's capital and invade them." So they did so. The United States decides, "Well, since we're at war, we probably ought to invade the British Empire -- hey, Canada is right next to us, lets invade that." So they did so.
The problem I'm seeing in the posts in this thread is a lack of convincing reasons to say that either side "won".
|October 20th, 2004||#36|
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I will ask this to the people who say Canada won the war.
How many Canadians were supporting the British units through out the war? Exact figures at different battles would be nice.
I have not read of any in my studies and I would like to know the exact figures are. I know in the Revolutionary War, there were some Canadians helping out the British after the failed invasion of Canada. There were about 1,200 Canadians in Major General Burgoyne's force of about 8,000 as he pushed south toward Albany.
"The best form of taking care of troops is first-class training, for this saves unnecessary casualties." Erwin Rommel
|October 20th, 2004||#37|
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After all, its a fact that the US did consider declaring war on France at about this time for its seizing of US merchant ships ( the truth is France seized far more US ships than the British did in the period leading up to the war of 1812) however they decided against it because the French had nothing worth taking.
Britain despite American folk-lore, had no forts or any military presence at all within the US borders( as agreed by the Treaty of Paris) before the start of the war.
|October 20th, 2004||#39|
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Warning horribly off topic paragraph ahead
Actually its kind of funny... but the US did at one time invade the providential shores of great britain ... during the Revolutionary War.
Seems like John Paul Johns had an axe to grind...and he did.
a regular little maniac this guy..but definetly worth emulating...
Now back to the topic..which is getting kinda dry by the way folks...we shall have to hang you by the neck..until you cheer up! (Monty Python strikes again)
If we should have to fight, we should be prepared to do so from the neck up instead of from the neck down. General James H. Doolittle, USAAF
|October 20th, 2004||#40|
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Let us keep from refereing to an entire country's opinion in this discussion. As an American, I am going to get mad when someone says "Americans don't like..." just as a Canadian will get mad at the term "Canadians are the only ones..."
If this continues, we are going to have a flame war. No one wins when that happens.