Originally Posted by MontyB

(seriously how many people have sheep pictures on a computer).

You do now, hidden in your cache somewhere. Mwah ha ha ha!

Violation of 1st Amendment rights. You should be able to fly any flag you want, with or without the American flag. Hell, I fly a Lithuainian flag sometimes and no one complains that I'm being un-American.

hehe but I promise you it will be cleared with the cache.

Originally Posted by major liability

Violation of 1st Amendment rights. You should be able to fly any flag you want, with or without the American flag. Hell, I fly a Lithuainian flag sometimes and no one complains that I'm being un-American.

Oddly enough I don't agree, the national flag of the country you are in should take pride of place over any other flag, I see no problem with flying another flag along side the national one but not in preference to it.

Originally Posted by MontyB

And how does that make his opinion any more valid than anyone elses?

As I understand it this thread isn't about operations in Afghanistan so his "expertise" is not really relevant and we already know by hie own admission that he is the sort of policeman that upholds the laws he sees as fit to recognise.

Also given our previous discussions on the relevance of judging peoples posts by their profile which is pretty much your MO I find it somewhat hypocritical to be recommending that people "take the time to get to know some people better before you write them off."

Incidently is a 13 star flag considered an official "American flag"?

No, it is not the official United States Flag, as each Star represents a State in the United States of America. Which makes it all the more sad, as the State the Poster lives in who is using said Flag in Protest is not represented by the Flag he flies.

As for BD's Post, in my opinion it is a game he plays, like most of what he does.
I'm a Combat Veteran, and, I have given much of myself for my Nation, and yet all BD does is disrespect me..... and then to add insult to injury, disrespect my Military job by saying that people have been EOD Techs in the Afghan Op without even having to go to EOD School, making EOD a job anyone can do.

I view flying a 13 Star United States Flag in protest of the United States Government as no different than someone taking the United States Flag with the correct amount of Stars and setting it on fire in protest of the United States Government, my view of this will not change.

OK folks, I think it's time for everyone to tone it down. Let's not let this personal tone continue. Keep the discussions to the topic at hand, thanks.

Check, Top.

I don't fly the Stars and Bars for other reasons. I support the Confederacy and what it stood for but the Confederacy was not America. The America that I have come to learn and love is the America that was founded by men like George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and the millions of Militia Men and Continentals. The America that I love and have fought for have been defended by men such as Teddy Roosevelt, Alvin York, and Audie Murphy.

To me, the 13 Star Flag is symbol of that.

As to answer your questions. Yes, the 13 Star Flag is a legal flag of the USA. It is flown by current government at some locations as a way to say thanks to the brave men and women that fought and died to create this great country.

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As for my time in the sandbox, that is in the past. I cannot change my actions from those days All I can do is live my life as a man of honor. I believe that folks that have served just like me have the right to question their actions and the war. If you are against the war you have the legal rights to do so. I will not stand against you, but I will not support you either.

As for immigrants. I am one. I still have love for Cuba. But the Cuba that I love has not existed since January 1st 1959. When I have kids, I want them to know of where they came from. I want them to know that they are Americans not Cubans. Cuba is put a thing of the past. It is where we started but not where we will end.

Does that mean that i will not name my childern with Spanish names. No, I plan to name with Spanish Names. my first son I want to name Mario Antonio Valdes, and if I get a second son I would wish to name him Pablo Antion Valdes.

If the current immigrants want to be part of America, they must stop denoucing it. America is not Mexico, it's not Cuba, it's not China, it's not Ireland, it's not Poland, it's not Russia. It's AMERICA!

And yet by order from President Eisenhower (R) in Executive Order #10834, the 50-Star flag became the Official Flag of the United States of America on 4 July 1960.

That is Official from the Federal Government of the United States of America.

Originally Posted by Gator

And yet by order from President Eisenhower (R) in Executive Order #10834, the 50-Star flag became the Official Flag of the United States of America on 4 July 1960.

That is Official from the Federal Government of the United States of America.

The Betsy Ross flag is still an offical flag of the United States by act of the Second Continental Congress on June 14, 1777.

1777 predates the United States of America.

The 50-Star flag became the Official Flag of the United States of America by order of Executive Order #10834.

I'll point out that Owning other Humans as Slaves was also legal at one time in the United States of America, and yet times change.

I'm looking, perhaps you can help me? Can you offer anything up from the United States Federal Government, which would make the 13 Star Flag the Official United States Flag today?

From the U.S. Code Online via GPO Access
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[Laws in effect as of January 20, 2004]
[Document not affected by Public Laws enacted between
January 20, 2004 and December 23, 2004]
[CITE: 4USC1]


TITLE 4--FLAG AND SEAL, SEAT OF GOVERNMENT, AND THE STATES

CHAPTER 1--THE FLAG

Sec. 1. Flag; stripes and stars on

The flag of the United States shall be thirteen horizontal stripes,
alternate red and white; and the union of the flag shall be forty-eight
stars, white in a blue field.

(July 30, 1947, ch. 389, 61 Stat. 642.)


Short Title of 2000 Amendment

Pub. L. 106-252, Sec. 1, July 28, 2000, 114 Stat. 626, provided
that: ``This Act [enacting sections 116 to 126 of this title and
provisions set out as a note under section 116 of this title] may be
cited as the `Mobile Telecommunications Sourcing Act'.''

Executive Order No. 10798

Ex. Ord. No. 10798, Jan. 3, 1959, 24 F.R. 79, which prescribed
proportions and sizes of flags until July 4, 1960, was revoked by
section 33 of Ex. Ord. No. 10834, set out as a note under this section.

Ex. Ord. No. 10834. Proportions and Sizes of Flags and Position of Stars

Ex. Ord. No. 10834, Aug. 21, 1959, 24 F.R. 6865, provided:
WHEREAS the State of Hawaii has this day been admitted into the
Union; and
WHEREAS section 2 of title 4 of the United States Code provides as
follows: ``On the admission of a new State into the Union one star shall
be added to the union of the flag; and such addition shall take effect
on the fourth day of July then next succeeding such admission.''; and
WHEREAS the Federal Property and Administrative Services Act of 1949
(63 Stat. 377), as amended [now chapters 1 to 11 of Title 40, Public
Buildings, Property, and Works and title III of the Act of June 30, 1949
(41 U.S.C. 251 et seq.)] authorizes the President to prescribe policies
and directives governing the procurement and utilization of property by
executive agencies; and
WHEREAS the interests of the Government require that orderly and
reasonable provision be made for various matters pertaining to the flag
and that appropriate regulations governing the procurement and
utilization of national flags and union jacks by executive agencies be
prescribed:
NOW, THEREFORE, by virtue of the authority vested in me as President
of the United States and as Commander in Chief of the armed forces of
the United States, and the Federal Property and Administrative Services
Act of 1949, as amended [see Short Title note under section 471 of Title
40, Public Buildings, Property, and Works], it is hereby ordered as
follows:

Part I--Design of the Flag

Section 1. The flag of the United States shall have thirteen
horizontal stripes, alternate red and white, and a union consisting of
white stars on a field of blue.
Sec. 2. The positions of the stars in the union of the flag and in
the union jack shall be as indicated on the attachment to this order,
which is hereby made a part of this order.
Sec. 3. The dimensions of the constituent parts of the flag shall
conform to the proportions set forth in the attachment referred to in
section 2 of this order.

Sec. 22. Flags manufactured or purchased for the use of executive
agencies:
(a) Shall conform to the provisions of Part I of this order, except
as may be otherwise authorized pursuant to the provisions of section 24,
or except as otherwise authorized by the provisions of section 21, of
this order.
(b) Shall conform to the provisions of section 21 of this order,
except as may be otherwise authorized pursuant to the provisions of
section 24 of this order.
Sec. 23. The exterior dimensions of each union jack manufactured or
purchased for executive agencies shall equal the respective exterior
dimensions of the union of a flag of a size authorized by or pursuant to
this order. The size of the union jack flown with the national flag
shall be the same as the size of the union of that national flag.
Sec. 24. (a) The Secretary of Defense in respect of procurement for
the Department of Defense (including military colors) and the
Administrator of General Services in respect of procurement for
executive agencies other than the Department of Defense may, for cause
which the Secretary or the Administrator, as the case may be, deems
sufficient, make necessary minor adjustments in one or more of the
dimensions or proportionate dimensions prescribed by this order, or
authorize proportions or sizes other than those prescribed by section 3
or section 21 of this order.
(b) So far as practicable, (1) the actions of the Secretary of
Defense under the provisions of section 24(a) of this order, as they
relate to the various organizational elements of the Department of
Defense, shall be coordinated, and (2) the Secretary and the
Administrator shall mutually coordinate their actions under that
section.
Sec. 25. Subject to such limited exceptions as the Secretary of
Defense in respect of the Department of Defense, and the Administrator
of General Services in respect of executive agencies other than the
Department of Defense, may approve, all national flags and union jacks
now in the possession of executive agencies, or hereafter acquired by
executive agencies under contracts awarded prior to the date of this
order, including those so possessed or so acquired by the General
Services Administration, for distribution to other agencies, shall be
utilized until unserviceable.

Part III--General Provisions

Sec. 31. The flag prescribed by Executive Order No. 10798 of January
3, 1959, shall be the official flag of the United States until July 4,
1960, and on that date the flag prescribed by Part I of this order shall
become the official flag of the United States; but this section shall
neither derogate from section 24 or section 25 of this order nor
preclude the procurement, for executive agencies, of flags provided for
by or pursuant to this order at any time after the date of this order.
Sec. 32. As used in this order, the term ``executive agencies''
means the executive departments and independent establishments in the
executive branch of the Government, including wholly-owned Government
corporations.
Sec. 33. Executive Order No. 10798 of January 3, 1959, is hereby
revoked.
Dwight D. Eisenhower.