I don't know that I consider the Abu Guife (sp?) scandal torture. Degrading yeah okay. The problem is this. Against this enemy normal intelligence gathering methods are spotty at best. To kill em you have to find em. So the question remains. How important is saving the lives of innocent non combatants whom these cowards prefer to target?

I'll agree with you on that one. I don't think this would be an issue had America not disbanded the Iraqi army; American's need more troops to be able to be every where, because witht he small number in Iraq; it's impossible to enforestabilty.

But that was kind of darned if you do darned if you don't. How effective would the Iraqi Army actually have been, after the meat grinder they went thru?

I can't awsner that, if nothing else, you wouldn't have as many "loose" weapons floating around Iraq; with as many unemployed bitter, trained youngmen either.

If the weapons were not there they would be imported from Iran, Syria or some other Terrorist Friendly fiefdom.
If the former Soliders are bitter about no longer being in the service then why aren't they flocking in droves to the National Police/Defense Force. They get paid.

Sorry don't wash.

*sigh*

how about this, someone invades your home, disbands your military.
wouldn't you be suspicious? wouldn't you fight back?

and if you were in a neibouring country, wouldn't you think that you're next? and that it would be better to get your hits in first?

all i'm saying is that even you don't agree, at least try and see the other side of the arguement, this is where understanding comes from.

Originally Posted by 03USMC

If the weapons were not there they would be imported from Iran, Syria or some other Terrorist Friendly fiefdom.
If the former Soliders are bitter about no longer being in the service then why aren't they flocking in droves to the National Police/Defense Force. They get paid.

Sorry don't wash.

I think it may have something to do with Iraqi Nationalism. I mean if your army is disbanded by a foreign power, then reinstated under a new name; would you join up? Think about it, if the USMC was disbanded by an invading nation, would you then join up with the ADF?

Originally Posted by chewie_nz

*sigh*

Did you expect a collective Mia Culpa? Ain't gonna happen.

Jason Bourne, calm yourself. Any further use of obscenities will result in a ban.

chewie, if you don't have anything to say, don't make a post. (:sigh: is spam)

Originally Posted by r031Button

I think it may have something to do with Iraqi Nationalism. I mean if your army is disbanded by a foreign power, then reinstated under a new name; would you join up? Think about it, if the USMC was disbanded by an invading nation, would you then join up with the ADF?

Or it could have something to do with the fact that they are prime targets and targets of choice for the terrorists. Look who's getting hit. Police Stations.
The terrorists are attempting to destroy what little infrastructure does exist. In the beginning recruitment was going well. But now.