Originally Posted by 03USMC

Accusations are not evidence,circumstanial nor hard. I gather evidence and conduct investigations for a living. You show me a completed Investigation conducted by FBI, NCIS, CID. That garnered enough evidence to have charges preferred. Not Media releases.

Is a memo from people inside the FBI not evidence enough?

I really could care less if you agree or disgree with how I classify Terrorists from the rest of the Middle East, Latin America or Europe. I am just not inclined to have my value system questioned by a Cadet .

Fine I won't call ya Junior. Okay Skippy.

You may not be inclined to, sir, but you are being questioned.
Whether you like it or not.
Sir with all due respect sir , i dont like the use of the name skippy since i am not bounceing and certanly not an australian kangeroo in an area cursed with holes,mines,caves and anything you can fall in.

No a memo is not an investigation. The bulk of that article seems to consist of methods of interogation that SA Harrington did not agree with.

Originally Posted by 03USMC

No a memo is not an investigation. The bulk of that article seems to consist of methods of interogation that SA Harrington did not agree with.

Yeah and you dont think that she witnessed is not proof enough?

Everything you see leads to Americans torturing terrorist suspects even if they are innocent.

People that are captured by "terrorists" after they come out say they are always treated well. Many documentaries have seen this.

Still, at least 10 incidents of abuse have been substantiated at Guantanamo, all but one from 2003 or this year. They range from a guard’s hitting a detainee to a female interrogator’s climbing on a prisoner’s lap.

Okay, so this is what the artilce says for "alleged abuses" at Guantomino Bay. You're equating these (which have not actually even been proven to be true BTW) to torture? Doing things of that sort is probably wrong, but how is it torture??

Correct me if I'm wrong, but torture is supposed to involve systematic physical and psychological abuse calculated to extract information and/or cooperation. No evidence of that happening has been demonstrated.

Those incidents pale in comparison to alleged abuse at the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq, a scandal that erupted when photographs surfaced of U.S. troops forcing Iraqi prisoners to strip and pose in sexually humiliating positions. Some prisoners were bound and hooded.

Those occurances were bad. They made the military look bad. I do not believe that they were torture, but even if they are we are talking about some very benign methods. Nothing in the department of excruciatingly painful physical torment. Nothing even close to it.

The article reports that certain individuals at the FBI are suspicious. That is their perogative to be suspicious, but it proves nothing. And we do not know if what this FBI fellow has said is legit or just calculated to create hype.

So no, that's not very good evidence of torture if you ask me.

"Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq, a scandal that erupted when photographs surfaced of U.S. troops forcing Iraqi prisoners to strip and pose in sexually humiliating positions."

Actually it "erupted" when Specialist Joseph Darby who was serving at the prison couldn't allow the actions of the rogues to continue and turned them in. The system works. Honorable people act honorably and dishonorable ones get caught.

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/PersonOfWe...=365920&page=1

maybe whats needed is an impartial, all access investigetion to proove to the world that it isn't happening (or is, whatever)

a country such as NZ, Spain etc

Originally Posted by chewie_nz

maybe whats needed is an impartial, all access investigetion to proove to the world that it isn't happening (or is, whatever)

a country such as NZ, Spain etc

Perhaps, but unfortunately, every nation out there has its own agenda ... so "impartial" probably doesn't exist. Even obvious choices might have have hidden agendas and goals.

well that's true...as i was typing that i was trying to think of countries that would be acceptable to both sides....and i came up with two!

So what! War is war. Who can say that their interrogations havnt got out of hand at some point?
Torture is a tool of war.Always has been.Always will be.