Originally Posted by AikiRooster

Well, how about if New York decided they didn't want you participating on forums, so you wouldn't since they said you shouldn't?

So you're saying that that people are stupid and the government should decide things for them. Sounds an awful lot like a monarchy/dictatorship to me...

That's not what I said, re-read the post.

Did.

I guess he couldn't participate as long as he was in NYC. He can participate now in Paris, but not in NYC. Seems as reasonable as some gun regulations.

Originally Posted by mmarsh

Thats because NYC is almost 1/2 of the entire state population, so obviously they have a large say in state affairs. But I agree with the rest of what you are saying.

The NRA loves to say let people who want to have guns have them. But it refuses to agree with the opposite statement, let those communities who DON'T want to have guns in their communities have the the right to ban them.

Its the people who elect the politicians who pass such laws. I think the voters of DC, NYC, and elsewhere were very clear: they don't want guns within city limits. There is no great popular demand to allow handguns by NYC residents, if there was handguns would be legal.

But groups like the NRA who are not even residents and how have no idea of the added stresses in living in a metropolis of 8 Million People insist on shoving guns down everybodies throat, whether they want them or not.

Let the voters on both sides of the issue make the decision in their areas, not some paranoid DC special interest group.

Why should I have my rights restricted because some idiot in another city in my State doesn't like firearms? We should restrict music and loud muscle cars because I don't like them then by that logic. We're talking about a Constitutional Right. A right was just tried by the Supreme Court because some Citizens in our Nation's Capital had them restricted.

South Florida has a population of about 6 Million. We have far more firearms, less restriction, and conceal carry and we have a far lower crime rate then NYC. So don't try that....

Originally Posted by 5.56X45mm

South Florida has a population of about 6 Million. We have far more firearms, less restriction, and conceal carry and we have a far lower crime rate then NYC. So don't try that....

You also have a lot of senior citizens... and weather can affect people, making them feel more desperate. (i.e. sucide rate in Seattle). And I'm betting the weather's better in Miami than it is in NYC...

Originally Posted by The Other Guy

You also have a lot of senior citizens...

So does NYC... what's you're point. Come down to Miami.... you'll see how many senior citizens we really have.

Originally Posted by 5.56X45mm

Why should I have my rights restricted because some idiot in another city in my State doesn't like firearms? We should restrict music and loud muscle cars because I don't like them then by that logic. We're talking about a Constitutional Right. A right was just tried by the Supreme Court because some Citizens in our Nation's Capital had them restricted.

South Florida has a population of about 6 Million. We have far more firearms, less restriction, and conceal carry and we have a far lower crime rate then NYC. So don't try that....

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That's why we have city ordinances. And gun-bans with city limits are hardly new. Most towns in the Wild West had them, Wyatt Earp was famous for his anti-gun policies when he was sheriff. No one is forcing you to live within the city. You can easily and cheaply move to Westchester, Long Island, even New Jersey were you will find gun regulations more relaxed.

Secondly the 2nd Amendment is outmoded, even Justice Scalia suggested it. You are applying 1789 logic into 2008, it doesn't work.

First of all South Florida isn't a city, its an area. There is no city called South Florida. South Florida has a lower crime rate than NYC? Really? The Cocaine Import Capital of America as a lower crime rate than NYC? Thats a bit dubious...

I dont to pick on you, but once again you make wildly inaccurate statements that have absolute no basis in truth to attempt to justify your postion. Doing so, only makes the arguement weaker, not stronger.

Here are the Homicide figures for 2006 (S.Florida, then New York):

http://southfloridacrime.blogspot.co...ida-above.html

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/US/11/23...k.homicide.ap/

Summery:

So in Homicides in South Florida for 2006 we have 883 murders (a 26 percent increase from 2005). In NYC for the same year we have less than 500 (the lowest in 40 years). And I could show you the same for other violent crimes.


Last point: NYC does not that have that many seniors as you imagine, for most its too expensive and weather is too extreme.

The worst crime against working people is a company which fails to operate at a profit."
-- Samuel Gompers

"We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans to legitimately own handguns and rifles ... that we are unable to think about reality."
-- Bill Clinton, USA Today, 11 March 93, pg. 2A

"The last time I checked, the Constitution said 'of the people, by the people and for the people'. That's what the Declaration of Independence says."
-- Reuters News Agency
** Note: actually those words are in neither of those documents, but part of The Gettysburg Address by Abraham Lincoln

"We are taking the law and bending it as far as we can to capture a whole new class of guns [to ban]"
-- Jose Cerda, Los Angeles Times, 22 Oct. 1997, Mr. Cerda was named as a White House Official who specializes in gun control

"Gun registration is not enough."
-- Janet Reno, U.S. Attorney General, Associated Press 10 Dec 1993

"I want to make it as hard as possible. Gun owners would have to be evaluated by how they scored on written and firing tests, and have to pass the tests in order to own a gun. And I would tax the guns, bullets and the license itself very heavily."
-- Jocelyn Elders, U.S. Surgeon General, Mother Jones magazine, Jan/Feb '94

"Armas para que?" ("Guns, for what?")
-- Fidel Castro, a response to a Cuban citizens who said the people might need to keep their guns, after Castro announced strict gun control in Cuba

"I have made it considerably tougher for residents to get handgun permits."
-- Joseph McNamara, Police Chief, San Jose, CA, in his book Safe and Sane, 1984

"The second article of amendment (Second Amendment) to the Constitution of the United States is repealed."
-- U.S. House Joint Resolution 438 introduced 11 March 1992 by Congressman Owens, D-NY

" ... we could tax them [firearms] out of existence."
-- Daniel Patrick Moynihan, U.S. Senator, Washington Post, 4 Nov 93

"If it were up to me we'd ban them all [firearms]."
-- Mel Reynolds, U.S. Congressman, CNN Crossfire, 9 Dec 93

"We're going to have to take this one step at a time, and the first step is necessarily - given the political realities - going to be very modest. Right now, though, we'd be satisfied not with half a loaf but with a slice. Our ultimate goal - total control of all guns- is going to take time ... The final problem is to make the possession of all handguns and all handgun ammunition - except for the military, policemen, licensed security guards, licensed sporting clubs and licensed gun collectors - totally illegal."
-- Nelson T. Shields III, Founder of Handgun Control, Inc., New Yorker Magazine, p. 57-58, 26 Jul 1976

"There is no personal right to be armed for private purposes unrelated to the service in a well regulated militia."
-- Sarah Brady, Chairman, Handgun Control, Inc., Richmond Times-Dispatch, 6 Jun 97, pg. 6

"We must reverse this psychology (of needing guns for home defense). WE can do it by passing a law that says anyone found in possession a handgun except a legitimate officer of the law goes to jail-period!"
-- Carl Rowan, Washington DC Syndicated Columnist, 1981 article

" ... as long as authorities leave this society awash in drugs and guns, I will protect my family."
-- Carl Rowan, 1988 article titled "At Least They're Not Writing My Obituary"

"Men possess handguns in order to compensate for sexual dysfunction."
-- Dr. Joyce Brothers, Psychiatrist, TV personality
** her husband is among NYC elite that has been issued a permit to carry a concealed handgun

"Those now possessing weapons and ammunition are at once to turn them over to the local police authority. Firearms and ammunition found in a Jew's possession will be forfeited to the government without compensation ... Whoever willfully or negligently violates the provisions ... will be punished with imprisonment and a fine.
-- Nazi Law, Regulations Against Jews' Possession of Weapons, 11 Nov 1938, German Minister of the Interior

Mmarsh if anyone around me doesn't want me having a gun that's their problem. They can go cry, as I value the opinions and feelings of a cockroach over theirs. I've never and will never do anything to harm them. But I sure as hell will never give up my firearms if the "community" wills it. I refuse to give up my weapons just because it makes people uncomfortable. I don't even interact with more than a select few of these folks anyways, so what I do doesn't affect them at all.

People in New York City are even worse. I lived there for 5 years. Some of the most stuck-up people I've ever had the displeasure of living next to.

Honestly, it's like living in a European country.

Originally Posted by major liability

Mmarsh if anyone around me doesn't want me having a gun that's their problem. They can go cry, as I value the opinions and feelings of a cockroach over theirs. I've never and will never do anything to harm them. But I sure as hell will never give up my firearms if the "community" wills it. I refuse to give up my weapons just because it makes people uncomfortable. I don't even interact with more than a select few of these folks anyways, so what I do doesn't affect them at all.

People in New York City are even worse. I lived there for 5 years. Some of the most stuck-up people I've ever had the displeasure of living next to.

Honestly, it's like living in a European country.

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Really? and how many European countries have you lived in? Frankly I find Europeans are much more polite. I say this because I live in one and I used to regularly shuttle between the UK, BE, and NL for business.

The Dutch are extremely friendly, as are the Swedes.

For example, comparing people to cockroaches because they disagree would be considered bad form in Europe.

I would say your attitude is that of the locals that dislike people from the big city. Believe me I have heard the exact same arguments from French people against Parisians, English people against Londoners, Dutch people against those that live in Amsterdam, people in rural Indiana against both people Dayton, Cincinatti, and Indianapolis. Country people always think city people are rude, let me tell you I lived in the country too for 4 years in the Mid-West, contrary to the advertising, I didn't find the people so friendly.

But back to subject:

Well you may not have a choice, if a community bans handguns are places whether you agree with it or not you are violating the law. The Heller case does not apply to NYC, as DC and NYC don't have the same laws. Try it in NYC without a permit and the cops will arrest you if they catch you.

As I keep saying, its a matter of location. I have no problems with people in the Suburbs or countryside, but they have no business in a metropolis. And also as I said, nobody who lives in the metropolis wants them.

How many people do you see in the city demanding firearms? All I am saying is let communities police themselves.