Originally Posted by 03USMC

Care to provide some examples or are you just making a blanket " The US is always wrong" statement ......again.

Well, read the previous posts, I do not want to repeat the same quotes. But basically I am talking about supporting, training and finanzing para troops in South America.

Originally Posted by Corocotta

Well, read the previous posts, I do not want to repeat the same quotes. But basically I am talking about supporting, training and finanzing para troops in South America.

Oh you mean like .................................................. ..............................

1. FARC
2. Sendero Luminoso
3. Tupac Amaru
4. ELN
5. Zapatistas
6. Sandanista

The US has never been the only one sponsoring Paramilitary organizations in Latin America. Look at your history.After Castro took power in Cuba he began dispatching Advisors to South and Central America to train Guerilla Forces with the aid of the Soviet Union.

When your enemy starts a fire in your backyard , you fight the fire. You don't let burn out of control.

Originally Posted by 03USMC

Oh you mean like .................................................. ..............................

1. FARC
2. Sendero Luminoso
3. Tupac Amaru
4. ELN
5. Zapatistas
6. Sandanista

The US has never been the only one sponsoring Paramilitary organizations in Latin America. Look at your history.After Castro took power in Cuba he began dispatching Advisors to South and Central America to train Guerilla Forces with the aid of the Soviet Union.

When your enemy starts a fire in your backyard , you fight the fire. You don't let burn out of control.

One thing is training and other giving list of people that should be eliminated. Chek this page and look for info: http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/

And you really believe the "other side" (read Cuba and the USSR) didn't do the same thing. That Fidel and Che didn't "suggest" that certain Political, Military and industrial leaders not be eliminated to further the "peoples cause"? That they only provided training?

Come on. Latin America was a pawn in the Cold War used by both sides equally and that includes Cuba.

Originally Posted by 03USMC

And you really believe the "other side" (read Cuba and the USSR) didn't do the same thing. That Fidel and Che didn't "suggest" that certain Political, Military and industrial leaders not be eliminated to further the "peoples cause"? That they only provided training?

Come on. Latin America was a pawn in the Cold War used by both sides equally and that includes Cuba.

Of course they did the same!! Comunism is the worst political sistem ever!! But it seems that is dificult for some people to accept the obvious.

Originally Posted by Corocotta

Of course they did the same!! Comunism is the worst political sistem ever!! But it seems that is dificult for some people to accept the obvious.

Then why is it always "The US did this. The US did that." with you?

I already made the statement that not all of the US policies in Latin America were neither noble or just or right thru out history. Many times especially in the 20's 30's and beyond protection of business interests were paramount.

Yet you seem to have been ignoring the fact that the US also reacted and continues to react to Communist sponsored groups that are funded trained and take their cue from Havanna.

Do you really think that Hugo Chavez gives tacit approval to FARC in Columbia because he's a champion of justice and nation building. Or is it the fact that his affirmed hero Castro has always supported FARC. And that the goverment of Columbia has close ties to the US?

No, I do not think of Chavez as a champion of justice. My "US did this" policy is due to the neccesity of critic that in my opinion must have the super-power of the moment. I was in the US once and people were so ignorant about the policy of their Goverments in the past & present that I got into shock. I understand that not all US citizens are like this, but I was impresed with the complete apathy concerning history. Just for example (and I know this is totally off topic), I was asked where I came from; i answered from Spain, and somebody said: " Oh, just below Mexico; then you came driving, right?" I said: "Right"

I was asked if I had ever shot an Indian before when I was in Denmark, there are idiots everywhere.

And in the future it would be wise to avoid constant attacks on any one country's integrity, national intelligence, whatever else simply because you feel it is your mission to critique it. Say what you have to but it is not necessary to jump at every opportunity you see to assault the reputation of the nation of your choice.

I can definitely see both sides of this firefight, erm, thread. I am an American and was shocked myself when I started to discover some of the things that have been done by our government. Not just to others but to US soldiers as well, things I wish I did not know but so be it. I understand the saying that "Ignorance is bliss" now in a way that I could never had understood before. If I could put up some of the essays in here I wrote as a senior in HS you would not recognise me from what I write today.

Having lived in other countries now for a few years and making friends with locals who are also prior service I can tell you Corocotta that Americans are not alone in their ignorance of their own countries policies and programs. Yet they are quite fluent of their major rivals faux pas. It is endemic in our world, Asia, Europe, pick a country, damn near all are guilty. How many governments will maintain their grip on power if they tell their constituants all their dirty secrets? Not many I think.

At the same time 03, Redneck, the US is a lightning rod for criticism owing to its unique status as the current lone big dog. And the fact it is the last man standing right now from the cold war the dirty laundry list is long. Holding up the rule of law and having a government that criticises other countries openly and very publicly will always draw fire and close scrutiny.

Perhaps unless the (insert any country here) citizens persuade their government to curtail their activities then "thicker skin" would be the order of the day.

And perhaps before the rest of the world hurls stones at (insert any country here) a little introspection would be in order.

In the end, we either share this planet or, as 03 said elsewhere, "Die in place".

Basically the relationship between American and the Central American powers is that American cleans up its own backyard. We have enough problems dealing with people 1/2 way around the world trying to kill us, much less tolerating such views not but a few hundred miles off of our boarders.