The US did bat an eye; Hiroshima, Nagasaki

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September 16th, 2008   #11
03USMC
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by errol
I wonder if the US would have dropped it on a German city instead (given say Japan was defeated first)? Remember, we did consider the Japanese racially inferior to us in ww2.
Two way street. The Japanese also considered anyone not Japanese to racially inferior to the extent that anyone not Japanese subhuman.


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September 17th, 2008   #12
historic
 
Considering Japan's behavior against the Filipinos, Chinese, and Korean whom they considered subhuman, I doubt that they would show any restraint. Don't forget that the Japanese experimented with biological warfare against Chinese populations and allied POWs. This victimology is bizarre since shortly after the war both the German and Japanese militaries admitted they would have used nukes if they had it.
 
September 19th, 2008   #13
major liability
 
 
Though they did not match the scale of the Russian or German killings, the Japanese were certainly the most vicious in their methods. I don't feel bad at all that we nuked them twice. They would've done the same, and more. Probably would've used biological weapons, which in my opinion are the most terrible type of WMD ever conceived. Indiscriminate, and they keep on killing long after release.

Also, remember the Allied firebombings in Europe killed more people.

Edit: I don't know how you can take someone who calls himself an "African Liberation Theorist" seriously.


"Mankind, when left to themselves, are unfit for their own government." - George Washington

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December 21st, 2008   #14
BritinAfrica
 
 
Many families of those tortured and murdered in Japanese POW camps or on their infamous death marches, have stated that the Japanese mainland should have been “nuked” till it sank beneath the sea. My own father included.


I try to be the man my dog thinks I am.
 
December 21st, 2008   #15
Del Boy
 
Yes. That was certainly the general opinion when it happened. Relief was prevalent and, at the time, no sympathy. I state this as fact, not opinion.

No doubt attitudes have mellowed over the years, but those were ours at the time.

In the 1980's I hosted a Japanese Catholic priest for a few days, who had lost his family in Nagasaki; wonderful human being, great guy. I treasure the memory.

But that was a different time, a different world.


English by the grace of God.

 
December 24th, 2008   #16
LeEnfield
 
 
The Germans produced a Submarine called the U234 with a 15.000 mile range and this submarine was sent off to Japan laden with Radar, an stripped down Me262 and pile of German specialist. Also on the Submarine was severl hundred of pound of Radio Active material. Now the Japanese had built three large submarines capable of range of some 30.000 miles and these submarines each carried three aircraft in water tight hangers on their deck. Now that Japanese plan was put this radio active material in side the bombs and drop them on Los Angeles.This would have killed thousands of people and injured far more and made the city usless for years to come. When the war ended the Germans heard that their fellow country men were being rounded up in Japan so surrendered to the Americans. U234 was taken to Portsmouth Harbour in America where the cargo was unloaded and some of the radio active material was used to make Americas second atom bomb. Now they reckon that had the war in Germany gone on for another 11 days Los Angeles would still be glowing in the dark.
The only thing you can say is that you did it to them before they did it to you


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April 11th, 2009   #17
bren122
 
 
The Japanese were the most vicious? whilst i am not lining up for a beating with a pick handle i think it would have to be preferable to being given any number of disease cultures and then undergoing vivisection whilst still alive! or being forced to load your fellow human- sometimes still conscious- into crematoria. the Japanese maintained a biological warfare unit in Manchuria throughout its occupation- the Germans had medical experimentation facilities attached to most of their concentration camps not to mention the dedicated 'laboratories' found near Berlin and near Danzig to name the two most famous. The NKVD's favoured mode of execution was to take you for a walk down a long corridor and shoot you in the back of the neck, just below where it attaches to the skull and on an upward trajectory- a shot that is difficult to master but provides a relatively painless death. the source goes on to note that whilst it was a difficult shot to master on the move, with @30000 victims alone in the purge of the army prior to the war they had plenty of chances to practice. It is currently the method of execution favoured by the Chinese.

In an interview Tibbets gave to Reader's Digest to mark the (i think) 40th anniversary of the bomb he stated that the provisional target in Germany for the use of the bomb was in fact Berlin. This seems unlikely to me but if it was an all or nothing weapon at the time it might make sense. if i remember it correctly, one of the designs was initially thought to be impractical (something to do with the refinement of the fissile material) and so its development started significantly later than the other. it wasn't until shortly before the first test that the Project team realised that they would have two bombs available rather than the one advised at the start of the year. there were actually more bombs built but it was considered necessary to keep however many in reserve.

Nagasaki was meant to be the first target- it and the secondary were covered by clouds on the day and the target then became Hiroshima. The targets themselves had been relatively unscathed by conventional bombing as the Americans wanted a clear indication of the damage the nukes would cause. even before the formal surrender of Japan, project scientists were on the ground in both cities.
 
April 11th, 2009   #18
Arizona Love
 
 
The use of the bombs was absolutely the right decision. It is amazing to me that people today question the choice. People try to say it was unethical or irresponsible but there was really no other choice. At that point we had been at war for three plus years, millions of lives had been lost worldwide and the Japanese were a notoriously difficult enemy to fight. Any opportunity we had to end the war quickly and with out losing another allied life was an absolute no brainier. I feel no regret or sham for my country's use of these weapons and like what others had said, if we had not used them first someone else would have.
 
April 15th, 2009   #19
Del Boy
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by LeEnfield
The Germans produced a Submarine called the U234 with a 15.000 mile range and this submarine was sent off to Japan laden with Radar, an stripped down Me262 and pile of German specialist. Also on the Submarine was severl hundred of pound of Radio Active material. Now the Japanese had built three large submarines capable of range of some 30.000 miles and these submarines each carried three aircraft in water tight hangers on their deck. Now that Japanese plan was put this radio active material in side the bombs and drop them on Los Angeles.This would have killed thousands of people and injured far more and made the city usless for years to come. When the war ended the Germans heard that their fellow country men were being rounded up in Japan so surrendered to the Americans. U234 was taken to Portsmouth Harbour in America where the cargo was unloaded and some of the radio active material was used to make Americas second atom bomb. Now they reckon that had the war in Germany gone on for another 11 days Los Angeles would still be glowing in the dark.
The only thing you can say is that you did it to them before they did it to you
Le - I really rate that post. Salute from me.
 



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