Originally Posted by Tsunami

democrats and illegal aliens will show up and vote for the jackass

If you have information on Illegal Aliens voting in a Federal Election you need to contact your Supervisor of Elections, or, if you feel that your Supervisor of Elections is in on it as well (could be a Democrat) just go directly to the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

Originally Posted by Tsunami

republicans will find more important things to do that day than vote because there is not a true conservative on the ticket.

Democracy in action!

Have you noticed Mr. President getting similarly low numbers? No one is happy with the way the war is going.

Go tribe! Oh yea, another Boston Tea Party.
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Kucinich just came out with a whole new peace process, he is going to have the mother ship land in Iraq and spread love and goodwill...
When your done spouting liberal talking points about nobody being happy w/ how the war is going, you may just see that the problem is way beyond that of Bush!
Put simply - if the mainline media would cover stories like what we saw earlier w/ the soldier holding the little girl or even more recent story that appeared via reuters, buy is showed up nowhere in US papers:
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Sharp drop in violence seen in Iraq
By Aseel Kami

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Violence in Iraq has dropped by 70 percent since the end of June, when U.S. forces completed their build-up of 30,000 extra troops to stabilise the war-torn country, the Interior Ministry said on Monday.

GRADUAL IMPROVEMENT

In Baghdad, considered the epicentre of the violence because of its mix of Shi'ites and Sunni Arabs, car bombs had decreased by 67 percent and roadside bombs by 40 percent, he said. There had been a 28 percent drop in the number of bodies found dumped in the capital's streets.

Reuters (IDS)
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This article showed up on a swiss info sight - I mean, for crying out loud. When the American people are kept in the dark, which is the liberal way - what do you expect?
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Oh yea - I am happy with how the war is going, which provides a fundamental flaw to your premise "The Other Guy."

okay, it's improving. When do we win?

The proper response is - when is the press in this country going be held to a higher standard? I would argue that if the facts less the agenda were reported, then a) democrats would not be in power and b) Bush's approval ratings along w/ a repub held congress approval ratings would be reasonable and an objective measure.

sounds like you talked around the question: when do we win?

The Other Guy, if you asked that question in 1940, in 1950, in 1917... the answers would have all been the same. No one knows.

Hell, sometimes by slapping on an artificial deadline, the enemy will USE that to their advantage. The enemy should never know when the bombs will stop dropping.

Originally Posted by the_13th_redneck

The Other Guy, if you asked that question in 1940, in 1950, in 1917... the answers would have all been the same. No one knows.

Not true, the answer in 1940, 1917 and 1950 was when a ceasefire was negotiated (Whether it was through the defeat of the other side or through political means) so while no one knew the exact date they did have a defined goal that could be achieved, this is not the case with the so called "war on terror" so his question is a valid one.

Perhaps you could tell us the conditions for winning it at least that way we would know whether it was being won or even seriously fought.

Define win - and don't dance around the issue concerning your liberal leaning press.

Originally Posted by Tsunami

Define win - and don't dance around the issue concerning your liberal leaning press.

Oh, the "Liberal Press" myth again. If someone disagrees with conservatives its therefore "liberal", especially when it happens to be true, then its called the "far-left" liberal media.

I'll ask you the same question as I asked everybody else who repeats this tired old line. If the press is so "Liberal" then how come most of it, (especially the mainstream media) it is owned by conservatives? Don't believe me? check who owns MSNBC (Gates), FOX (Murdoch), CBS (Time-Warner), ABC (Disney), ClearChannel, CNN (Time-Warner) (which owns 10% of radio airwaves in the US), the WSJ (Murdoch), the WT (Rev Sun Yi Moon), just to name a few.

I'll give a factoid: The popular myth of the "liberal" press was actually invented by Rupert Ailes in the FOX NEWS boileroom.

"Repeat a lie often enough and eventually people will believe it"
-Dr. Joseph Goebbels
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13th Redneck

Except in all those examples the US had a strategy, an actual plan to win the war. The current gameplan is "Win the war against global terrorism". AKA: A war without end. The Iraq war has been going on longer than WWII with no end in sight.

The only reason we are still in Iraq is become our leaders THE REPUBLICANS, and a few Chickenhawk Democrats cannot come to grips with the fact that they were wrong, and of course certain Corporate interests that are unwilling to let go of their moneyfactory. 25% of the Worlds oil supply is a hard thing to give up, you know.

Alan Greenspan (a Republican who served as FRC for 5 different presidents) has publically acknowledged that the war WAS for oil (and a few other reasons) that had nothing to do with WMD or terrorism.