Originally Posted by k19

you know what, i don't have time and energe to play word game with you, explain everything to you, list every thing CNN have done to show you. Big threat, small threat, or whatever, if you examine the history aspects, you will find these two countries have too many common interests to be calling eachother that.

i just want to point out this one you siad: "Thirdly what even though Tawain may have nothing to do with US security, neither does Tawain have to do with China's security. It could still go on existing without Taiwan, so you really got no point here."

i can tell you in plain English, if taiwan goes independence, china will 100% face political melt down, further threatening the gobal economy, sercurity, and we are talking about 1/5 world population here, could be easily to go out of hand, simply a disaser. Would you even want to let it happen? that's how serious the situation is and how important it to china's sercurity! that's how serious it is! Does it can do the same to US? I think not. Just showed how little you know about china and the situation. No one can paint themselves good in this trouble water, we are in the same boat here, just have to deal with it sooner of later.

Gladius, as K19 have stated above, it appears to me that your arguments does not exert any basic knowledge about this issue. It's time to be a bit more rational and FAIR about this topic, so please do not mention anything else about Propaganda or Taiwan. When involved in a political discussion, it's important to consider the other factor of the entire debate.

In my view, although China does have very strong ambitions that alert other nations as well, yes I do believe that statement is over-stated. I understand that the CCP does not want to risk any military confrontation with neighboring countries that will surely compromise commercial relations and the overall global image of China.

You still have to remember that the basic definition of a threat and a competition,in terms of politics, is totally different. And I believe that the US analysts and commentors judging China as a major threat did not use the proper word to describe the issue.

I think it should be simply put it as a major competitor.

Originally Posted by 03USMC

I wouldn't call the threat non exsistent. I feel the threat is very real. But then I was trained to believe that communist is the same as enemy. So anything that a communist nation does is suspect in my eyes.

Very true. I remember Kruschev banging his shoe on the table and telling us the Soviet Union would bury us, the US. As far as I'm concerned he was voicing the opinion of all Communist Nations and nothing has changed to make me believe otherwise. "Trust but verify".

Originally Posted by Missileer

Very true. I remember Kruschev banging his shoe on the table and telling us the Soviet Union would bury us, the US. As far as I'm concerned he was voicing the opinion of all Communist Nations and nothing has changed to make me believe otherwise. "Trust but verify".

The Soviet Union does not speak for every communist nation in the world nor represent every communist type government, especially Vietnam and China. Chinese Communism and Soviet Communism have very different approaches and ideologies which was the primary base that resulted border disputes between the two and the fact that China was targetted by the Soviet Union.

True, Cabal, but by the same token I don't recall China saying "well, we don't plan on burying the U.S." and considering their rather trecherous history in US-Chinese relations (last 2 years of the Korean war in particular) I don't think there are many in the US who are willing to give China the bennefit of the doubt.

Originally Posted by k19

you know what, i don't have time and energe to play word game with you, explain everything to you, list every thing CNN have done to show you. Big threat, small threat, or whatever, if you examine the history aspects, you will find these two countries have too many common interests to be calling eachother that.

i just want to point out this one you siad: "Thirdly what even though Tawain may have nothing to do with US security, neither does Tawain have to do with China's security. It could still go on existing without Taiwan, so you really got no point here."

i can tell you in plain English, if taiwan goes independence, china will 100% face political melt down, further threatening the gobal economy, sercurity, and we are talking about 1/5 world population here, could be easily to go out of hand, simply a disaser. Would you even want to let it happen? that's how serious the situation is and how important it to china's sercurity! that's how serious it is! Does it can do the same to US? I think not. Just showed how little you know about china and the situation. No one can paint themselves good in this trouble water, we are in the same boat here, just have to deal with it sooner of later.

For the third time this is not about CNN but about the original article being one sided propaganda, thats in plain english. Again there is no major threat but to say that it is completely non-existent is pure propaganda.

Also in plain english if a more powerful non-democratic country wants to take over a less powerful democratic country then that could be considered a threat.

The fact that you're not impressed with democracy and could care less about it, which is porbably the same attitude that China take to this leads me to believe that in fact this could be a threat.

The only reason China would melt down if Taiwan declares independence is because China makes it so. They have spewed propaganda over the years offering no other ways to back out of it that they have dug themselves in a hole, in order to save face. Which you very well know if they have not done this then they would such as predicament. So who's the one listening propaganda, eh?

Originally Posted by Cabal

Gladius, as K19 have stated above, it appears to me that your arguments does not exert any basic knowledge about this issue. It's time to be a bit more rational and FAIR about this topic, so please do not mention anything else about Propaganda or Taiwan. When involved in a political discussion, it's important to consider the other factor of the entire debate.

In my view, although China does have very strong ambitions that alert other nations as well, yes I do believe that statement is over-stated. I understand that the CCP does not want to risk any military confrontation with neighboring countries that will surely compromise commercial relations and the overall global image of China.

You still have to remember that the basic definition of a threat and a competition,in terms of politics, is totally different. And I believe that the US analysts and commentors judging China as a major threat did not use the proper word to describe the issue.

I think it should be simply put it as a major competitor.

You need to read as well my basis for commenting. It was about the original article which stated that the threat was non-existant. Perhaps you need to learn basic knowledge of what this issue is about.

Wheter the US said China was a major threat is irrelevant, the fact that the writer said the treat is non existent is pure baloney.

You yourself said;

In my view, although China does have very strong ambitions that alert other nations as well,

Although thew threat is not major, "non-existant" it is not.

They are still a powerful non-democratic nation, whose actions may cause less powerful democratic nations to feel pressure. This may not threaten the US, but other countries may feel threatened.

Taiwan may feel threatened = threat

Japan may feel threaten = threat

lol, the non-exisitent threat is the threat of us invading/china for taking back her lland from rebels, thats it

You, can see me, not impressed by democracy? Dude, the only thing you know you have is “democracy”! Sitting on a comfort chair and have a beer on hand and having your democracy talk, you just only know you have it; you don’t know how to feel not having it! Well, I DO! Do I want democracy? Hell Yes! Does china need more democracy? Hell yes! Do I want your democracy? No, it’s not mine; it won’t work properly on my country! Yea, sure, how nice to see Iraq have their election, blah blah, what about Russia? Do I want to follow their step, sudden death? Of course not! And on what level have you know about china’s democracy? None! Who told you communist system can’t have democracy?! Don’t you impress me with your democracy, and don’t you judge my democracy by your standard!

If a government is responsible to their 1.3 billion people and the world, a government does not stop reform to be free; it’s a good government no matter what type it is. If anti-communism was that important to you, why did US aid china to against USSR? Cold war is ended man, time to go on! Drop that cold war stuff, having system difference is my problem, not yours! In fact, we were the only large country fought with communist Russia once and having problems with our different believes.

We don’t threaten Taiwan because of they were democratic, we don’t threaten them because they were not willing to unite yet, we threaten them is because they want to change the peaceful situation we are having right now! History can not go reverse, whatever you say, we can’t erase what we have in our mind, which we truly believed in, no matter it was taught or deeply from root, and it is what we have to be responsible for the history that is written on this day! We have lived in peace in decades, the peace must go on.

If Palestinian and Israeli leaders can shake hands when American president make them too, we surely can see the same picture here one day, and the US surely have that ability to do so. How would that be a threatening situation to the US if you can actively engage and solve it peacefully anyway? If you were worrying a bomb could land in your door step, that’s called been threatened, just like our Chinese from both sides somehow worried about everyday and you just don’t have the “luxury” to feel that.

Opinion and propaganda are two different things, it is that simple. In fact, you refer to other’s opinion as propaganda, then I took your standard of judging, saying the American media is also propaganda, in fact, I explained it right in the next post, Clearfield that what I mean is American media is out of controlled, in your word, also extremely one sided. I read your post clearly, and responded it clearly also.

When China becomes a real democracy then it will be a non-existent threat. In the meantime it is not.

You're going on and blah, blah, blah about this and that, when the topic was if China is a non-existent threat or not.

The fact that you go on and on about Tawian, when it is against the wishes of most Taiwanese to unite under a non-democratic state proves right there that China is a threat.

When opinion is presented as fact it becomes propaganda. You state that American news is propaganda when you listen to the BBC which is already getting alot of flack for their biasness.

Not to metion you're willingness to go along with China's belief that it will melt down if Taiwan declares independence shows me that you are the one going along with propaganda.

What if taiwan declares formal independence, which is only a matter of writting on paper (they are already independent), will the factories in China all of a sudden blow up at once?

Where is this melt down going to come from, nothing but Beijing's instance that it will, which stems from absolute propaganda, which you are so willing to go along with.

The issue here is not all that mumbo jumbo you are going on about, cold war ect, but having a large powerful non-democratic country forcing it way onto other less powerful democratic therein lies the threat.

As far as China not being a threat, spare me that, and go tell that to the Tibetans.

Here in Korea, a Chinese threat is very, very real.

13th Red neck, do S Koreans worry about China's invasion? Where do SK people get the hunch from?

Threat of what? A Capitalistic Communism took over the World?