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View Poll Results :Is it a good idea to let older cadets promote faster?
NO 13 81.25%
YES 3 18.75%
Voters: 16. You may not vote on this poll

 
October 7th, 2005   Post 1
USAFAUX2004
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Post; !!!URGENT!!! Civil Air Patrol Cadets !!!URGENT!!!


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Check the "Another Change to 52-16? Just Say No!" Article. I think it is absurd to give older kids the easy way out of the Airman ranks, even if I do know a few who are worthy of it. Read through the whole thing.
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October 7th, 2005   Post 2
alliehz
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Bad idea....
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October 7th, 2005   Post 3
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Cadets shouldn't be promoted faster solely based on their age. You need to show that you're capable of hanging the rank and the responsibilty that comes with it.

We had a few Cadets in my old Squadron that were promoted simply because they were a bit older than the rest of the people in their level, but they didn't show much ability to lead anyone. The most they did was flaunt their rank in front of other people. Needless to say, that was quickly sorted out by myself (The Squadron Commander) and my Officers.
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October 7th, 2005   Post 4
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Absolutely no way. My 1Lt couldnt lead a thirsty horse to water in the middle of a purified lake. He got promoted because he was older than me and I think thats about the most unfair thing anyone can do.
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October 7th, 2005   Post 5
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i do not thin it is right.
 
October 7th, 2005   Post 6
alliehz
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Ok, I didn't read all of the article, and I didn't see anything about age=promotions, but just to expand on what I said before.
It's a bad idea on a few levels. One being just because you are older does not mean you are more mature, or more skilled/knowledgeable. I have met 13 year old more mature then 20 year olds, so age does not always equal maturity.
Another problem is why should we set different standards? I understand that we already have something similar for the cadets who have been in JROTC for more then two years, which I do not fully support. But when you sign up to be a cadet we all start out at the same level, and we all work for the next promotion. It's through our time in grade, the struggle to progress, and willingness to learn that we grow as cadets and people. I would like to continue to say to my cadets "I understand the struggle it is to promote, we all went through the same thing"

As to if this proposal was actually made, I'm not really surprised. If it wasn't, well, let's just hope no one actually puts it into action.
 
October 8th, 2005   Post 7
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The 16+ fast promotion was closer to the end of the article, and it is true, there are some 16 year old who act like they are 5
 
October 11th, 2005   Post 8
058flightsgt
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Agreed that it's a bad idea! Rank represents what a cadet is capable of, Straight down to it. The only way that rule would be generally affective is if they made it where that had to get a signed letter from the CC saying they are fit for it. I have to deal with a ADD 17 year old basic. He has passed all the tests up to a1c. But he won't get promoted because he is unable to represent CAP. am I wrong? Please let me know, lol.
 
October 11th, 2005   Post 9
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Originally Posted by USAFAUX2004
The 16+ fast promotion was closer to the end of the article, and it is true, there are some 16 year old who act like they are 5
Yeah their are some cadets in my NJROTC class and they are officers
And I was like hey how did they get up to that rank so fast?
 
October 12th, 2005   Post 10
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Originally Posted by 058flightsgt
Agreed that it's a bad idea! Rank represents what a cadet is capable of, Straight down to it. The only way that rule would be generally affective is if they made it where that had to get a signed letter from the CC saying they are fit for it. I have to deal with a ADD 17 year old basic. He has passed all the tests up to a1c. But he won't get promoted because he is unable to represent CAP. am I wrong? Please let me know, lol.
Well here is the thing. YOU CANNOT HOLD HIM BACK BECAUSE OF ADD! I do not care what he has. I have worked teaching rifle drill to such a cadet, and yes it is a pain in the ass, but you cannot hold them at basic, or airman. You need to let them promote that is what 52-16 says (and that is where CAP contradicts itself again) It says maturity needs to be taken in account, but the way I see it is that let them promote if they can, but they will never get to officer grades. NEVER. Yes I am a hypocrite for saying it, but they should not be allowed to become leaders, because they will not be able to lead (most can't even follow). Let them get to what ever enlisted grade they can, but they will never pass the Mitchell. (Of coarse I have heard stories of them over coming the ADD and actually being able to become officers, but it is very rare). CAP states that you cannot stop anyone from joining. I have in my short CAP career taught people with ADD, Hand/Eye Coordination problems, and other forms of "problems" (Maturity was a common one for younger cadets). But all of the cadets eventually learned Drill, rifle drill and such. You just have to work with them.