Originally Posted by WARmachine88

ya, less soldiers would die if he had a better post-war plan about Iraq's future. or at least provided better armor for the troops.

or a better piece of consititution that leads to less conflict with Sunnis.

Excuse me but this is now called Bush bashing!

Originally Posted by Marinerhodes

I would trust a thief and a murderer before I trusted a proven liar. At least I have a chance of them telling me the truth. With a liar he can say he is telling the truth but he can also very well be lying about telling the truth.

exactly, 61% of americans don't trust Bush now cuz he is a proven liar. "Iraq has WMD now", his own words. Where is it?

Originally Posted by WARmachine88

ya, less soldiers would die if he had a better post-war plan about Iraq's future. or at least provided better armor for the troops.

or a better piece of consititution that leads to less conflict with Sunnis.

Seems to me that Iraq is writing it's own constitution. As for the rest, I am in the military, unless you have information I do not then leave that topic alone. There is only so much armor one person or vehicle can wear. When an explosion large enough to blast a hole 5 feet deep and 10 feet across in a road goes off, armor aint gonna do that much good. The concussion alone will cause injury, let alone the shrapnel that would be flying about.

Well, I can provide sources that show 90% of Americans support Bush and how he handles the affairs.

Those polls you speak of, to bash Bush, are almost as bias as my above sources.

Originally Posted by Marinerhodes

Seems to me that Iraq is writing it's own constitution. As for the rest, I am in the military, unless you have information I do not then leave that topic alone. There is only so much armor one person or vehicle can wear. When an explosion large enough to blast a hole 5 feet deep and 10 feet across in a road goes off, armor aint gonna do that much good. The concussion alone will cause injury, let alone the shrapnel that would be flying about.

If you let Iraqis write their own consititution, it would probably become another Iran or a very decentralized coalition (not even a nation probably, but three nations likely). Americans have heavy influence in the process of making this piece of consitituion. One direct evidence is how U.S sets up dead-lines that force Iraqis to not be able to really have a completed and widely accpeted consititution.

talk about the armor, you can talk to the guy who has asked Rum that tough question. He will tell you what he has do to protect his vehicle

Originally Posted by phoenix_aim54

Well, I can provide sources that show 90% of Americans support Bush and how he handles the affairs.

Those polls you speak of, to bash Bush, are almost as bias as my above sources.

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/US/09/10....ap/index.html

or here
http://www.ap-ipsosresults.com/

i am talking about poll insititution like Ipsos which has a scientific and reliable method of polling. That is why it is widely used and quoted as a fact.

let's see your sources.

My last comment for WarMachine since I just don't wanna get banned on this forum .... LoL

Since I assume you have no clue about how democracies work, I'd draw your attention to the point that as long as Iraq is gonna be a democracy and doesn't pose any threats to her neighbors and the world, nobody cares how their constitution may sound or look like.

As long as they are a parliamentary democracy, it is fine.

Btw, Democracy is a process not a product.
Americans can't and dont want to impose their way of democracy on Iraqis or any one else.

If Iraqis learn how valueable democracy is, they will reform their current constitution in future in a very civil way.

So don't get excited now! It takes time!

CNN is the most biased source I have ever seen.

They are worse than Mideastern dictators when it is time to respect everyone's polls.

Originally Posted by phoenix_aim54

CNN is the most biased source I have ever seen.

They are worse than Mideastern dictators when it is time to respect everyone's polls.

it is not CNN who did the poll , my friend

http://www.ap-ipsosresults.com/

i am talking about poll insititution like Ipsos which has a scientific and reliable method of polling. That is why it is widely used and quoted as a fact.

Originally Posted by phoenix_aim54

My last comment for WarMachine since I just don't wanna get banned on this forum .... LoL

Since I assume you have no clue about how democracies work, I'd draw your attention to the point that as long as Iraq is gonna be a democracy and doesn't pose any threats to her neighbors and the world, nobody cares how their constitution may sound or look like.

As long as they are a parliamentary democracy, it is fine.

Btw, Democracy is a process not a product.
Americans can't and dont want to impose their way of democracy on Iraqis or any one else.

If Iraqis learn how valueable democracy is, they will reform their current constitution in future in a very civil way.

So don't get excited now! It takes time!

You cannot see the consequence of a bad consitituion.

1. Sunnis are not happy for now, and they will continue to participate in insurgency or at least not help to stop them.
2. Sunnis have the ability to veto the consitituion in the referendum which will be held soon (only needs majority in 3 provinces to veto it)
3. ONce the consitituion is rejected, all the process od democracy in the last 2 years will have to repeat, which means there will not be a valid government to fight insurgency and U.S has to stay in Iraq for another 2 or more years.

bad huh?