Originally Posted by ravensword227

Many people here see the U.N. as sort of a liability – someone who can’t be counted on to solve real problems. I see the U.N. as an organization that is bent on world domination, and they will be wicked in their ways to achieve this. Everything they are doing is aimed at taking control of nations, but they will rationalize this with “good intentions.” They may not be influential now, but they will gain more power if the aren’t stopped. They want the United States to fail in Iraq because we represent a power that acted without the U.N.’s permission.

They want to control the militaries of nations, so they can grow powerful enough to subjugate all those who don’t fall in line. They will give the excuse that sovereign nations are the cause of all war, and you can bet your bottom dollar that the U.N. wants a big war so they can go on a power grab.

They want to control the election process of nations, so they can put in a leader who is aligned with their cause. They will give the excuse that only properly sanctioned elections can be fair, but believe me, if the U.N. gets their hands on the polls, it will be anything but “fair.” The U.N. want to put a leader into power that will hand over sovereignty to them.

They want to remove freedom or individual rights; namely, they want to get rid of the right of self-defense. They want an international gun control act so people won’t be able to defend against their regime. They will give the excuse that guns kill and need to be removed to prevent violence., but if a brutal dictator on the other side of the world is murdering civilians, the U.N. doesn’t want them to defend themselves; instead, they want to send U.N. troops to assume control.

The U.N. is the biggest threat to world that I have ever seen.

Just let the bastards try to take our "Liberty teeth".
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/articl...TICLE_ID=33584

wow very post

I got a sticker at a gunshow the other weekend that says "get the US out of the UN" Honestly, I don't see what they are doing for the US.

The people that support the U.N. are usually ignorant of what goes on behind the curtains. The U.N. is busy trying to abolish civil rights on an international level (the right to bear arms and defend one’s life), while defenseless Africans in Rwanda are getting hacked to pieces. We could provide the people with small arms, but the U.N. doesn’t want people to defend their self; if they do anything it will be to garrison the country with troops (mucho tax payer $$$ ). Each nation has its share of screwballs (more like evildoers) – I never said that every member was entirely nuts, so don’t put words in my mouth.



Read all about it: http://www.jpfo.org/alert20020517a.htm

The United Nations is fine and well, but sooner or later the world will have to decide whether or not they want to hang onto it or push for a World Government that is actually more useful.

I agree that they are wonderful for peacetime and completely useless for any police or military action.

FYI, this is a duplicate thread.

World Government, nice idea just like Communisme.

I'm not saying that I want bigger World Government. I'm not saying that I don't. I'm just saying that the world is going to have to sort out exactly what they want sooner or later. The UN is highly ineffective, and that suits the majority of the world just fine.

We are debating this year in debate about the UN, Through this like 400 pages of research I have found the UN is full of lying dogs who hate America. The UN will not allow America to cut how much it gives to the un. They do not count the money america sends to the UN. I found one articel I need to p[ost here that talks about how the US should leave the Un and let is become a 3rd world debate ground. However the UN does keep the world from breaking into WW4. But besides that it is useless. America has proven the Un cannot stop a war, when a big power is involved big power does what big power wants to do.

It is interesting read all the american views regarding UN. I think it's sad that you guys not really understand that the world consists of more than the USA. USA have very hard time understanding that other countries see things another way ad that doesn't mean that they are against USA.

One of the weakest parts of UN is the decision process that allow some countries to go against what the majority wants. I think that if the UN is going to be effective you have to take away the right to veto a suggestion. On the other hand UN must be able to put more presure on countries that don't follow the ruels that everybody have agreed to. For example it should have been easier for UN to put presure on Iraq to make them do what UN wanted them to do.

Ok thats my views anyway. Argue against me now..

Sounds about right.
the Veto power really screwed everyone up.

Originally Posted by larsrq

It is interesting read all the american views regarding UN. I think it's sad that you guys not really understand that the world consists of more than the USA. USA have very hard time understanding that other countries see things another way ad that doesn't mean that they are against USA.

One of the weakest parts of UN is the decision process that allow some countries to go against what the majority wants. I think that if the UN is going to be effective you have to take away the right to veto a suggestion. On the other hand UN must be able to put more presure on countries that don't follow the ruels that everybody have agreed to. For example it should have been easier for UN to put presure on Iraq to make them do what UN wanted them to do.

Ok thats my views anyway. Argue against me now..

Its all about whether or not you want a World Government that actually works of course. The 5 Permanent Members of the Security Council and their veto power is by far, the most crippling thing. For one thing, why are those 5 nations granted special status without there being a chance of them losing it ... EVER. Times and circumstances change. The UN has not been built to adapt. 5 veto-empowered nations means its pretty damned unlikely they will ever be an effective World Government, especially considering the opposing agendas of the USA, Russia, France, the UK and China. And any action to strip those 5 nations of their veto powers would be vetoed by them.

Just about everyone will favor humanitarian causes. Feed starving people, help rebuild wartorn nations, etc. For situation like Rwanda, the UN only seems capable of condemning and telling the bad guys "learn to play nice next time".

I think "Team America: World Police" summed it up well with the Hans Blix part...
Blix: Let me inspect your palace or else!
Kim Jong-il: Or else what?
Blix: Or... we will write you a very angry letter telling you how angry we are.

lol