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View Poll Results :Should the current UN Security Council be expanded to include the G4?
Yes 5 33.33%
No 9 60.00%
Can't Decide 1 6.67%
Voters: 15. You may not vote on this poll

 
September 8th, 2005   Post 11
SwordFish_13
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Hi,

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A) It doesnt carry through on promises of retribution (other than economic sanctions which, although harmful, are not necessarily all-terrible)
It depends on member Countries to make desicions ......... stop thinkng it as a seperate entity ........ member Countries make up UN and it's decision generally reflect the Mood of the members ..


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B) It seems as though the vast majority of resources, particularly money and troops, come from the U.S. It doesnt seem to make sense to allow other members to then determine how these things are used.
I wouldn't call 30 to 100 Troops as majority of troops ......... Bangladesh , Pakistan and India accounts for the majority of troops............ some 70 % of the total Troops come from these 3 countries.

USA is still to pay it's Long standing Dues to UN.

Not that it means anyhitng But Stop thinking you Bought UN and it should agree to each and every of your Policy ............ there are other member Countries as well .


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September 8th, 2005   Post 12
phoenix80
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Do americans say: UN out of US, US out of UN?
 
September 8th, 2005   Post 13
Damien435
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Originally Posted by SwordFish_13

USA is still to pay it's Long standing Dues to UN.
I would have thought we did that in Korea and Desert Storm. Whenever the UN calls on its member nations to fight the US is usually at the front and sends teh largest force. I am going to steal a movie quote here, "With great power comes great responsibility." The US is currently the world's only superpower and when the UN calls on its members to send forces it really is only fitting that we send the largest force because we are able too. I don't think there are many American peace keepers though and I can understand this, why would we send our soldiers into a situation where they are not allowed to fire back when fired upon? The Peacekeepers are a joke, not the soldiers themselves but the rules of engagement they are forced to abide. They are supposed to be a symbolic show of arms to deter violence but 300 peacekeepers in a country where hundreds of thousands of people are trying to kill each other is a pretty pathetic show of force and will not do much.

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Originally Posted by phoenix_aim54
Do americans say: UN out of US, US out of UN?
I just say that unless the UN actually starts to flex their muscles they are a joke and should only focus on humanitarian aid and might as well stop issuing UN sanctions on nations because nothing will come of them if they do not enforce those sanctions.
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September 8th, 2005   Post 14
Charge 7
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Originally Posted by mmarsh
I would say Brasil.

The reason being because we have two whole continents with no representation. I would be against India and Japan because Asia is already represented by China.
Uh, I think you're forgetting that rather large chunk of Russia that's in Asia too.
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September 8th, 2005   Post 15
Damien435
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Originally Posted by Charge 7
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Originally Posted by mmarsh
I would say Brasil.

The reason being because we have two whole continents with no representation. I would be against India and Japan because Asia is already represented by China.
Uh, I think you're forgetting that rather large chunk of Russia that's in Asia too.
True, but Russia is a European Nation in almost every sense of the word. The capitol is in Europe, most of its military bases are in Europe, its politics are directed towards the west. They are a European nation which happens to have a large chunk in Asia.
 
September 8th, 2005   Post 16
Charge 7
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If you truly think Russia is a European nation, you have some studying to do.
 
September 9th, 2005   Post 17
WARmachine88
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Originally Posted by Charge 7
If you truly think Russia is a European nation, you have some studying to do.
Russia's influence in Asia is very minor now as it does not have the economic power (maybe a bit military, but it is not really worth anything in peace time frankly speaking) to compete with India and China.

India deserves a seat in my opinion since it has 1 billion people and it has shown wills to be a responsible big power (like starting peace with Pakistan).

I think I have heard somewhere China supports Brazil's bid to go into security council.

UN security council permenant seat and the veto power are just cheating tools for big powers so they can protect their interest without being out voted by small nations and abandon UN (like wut happened in Leage of nations, Italy and Japan just simpily walked out when they were condemned for majority of members).

so i dont think it is wise to just kick out China and France to cripple UN even more.
 
September 9th, 2005   Post 18
Bory
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Before we make the UN bigger and more powerful we should start mass lay offs in the senior staff.

The Oil for Food Scandal is disgusting. Kofi Annan has taken personal responsibility, for giving that pig Saddam Hussein $13 Billion that was supposed to be for aid.

I wonder were all that money went, Hmm
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September 9th, 2005   Post 19
LeEnfield
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Now China is, or soon will be a major player on the World stage, India is another country I would have thought could take a seat on the Security council along with Japan. Both these countries have now a strong democratic tradition and are not prone to military coupes
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September 10th, 2005   Post 20
mmarsh
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Originally Posted by Charge 7
If you truly think Russia is a European nation, you have some studying to do.
He not completely wrong. For centuries the Russians have tried like to imagine themselves as Europeans. The Bolshevik revolution put an end it that. But even now we see Russia trying to restablish its lost roots to Europe. I would guess that Russia is a mix between the Asian and European continents.

If it was to be another Asian country I would think it would be Japan. Tensions are much worse between India and Pakistan than China and Japan, and Japan could be a counterbalance to China and North Korea.