Oh I'm not denying that incidents of terrorism go up to an extent and yes Madrid is a good example of it. But not all incidents of terrorism worldwide can be directly related to Iraq or the the 'Stan, as some would have you believe.

And I'm not denying that things like oil prices do effect the economies world wide. Thats a given.

The problem I have is that every countries ills come from the Invasion of Iraq.

Originally Posted by 03USMC

Oh I'm not denying that incidents of terrorism go up to an extent and yes Madrid is a good example of it. But not all incidents of terrorism worldwide can be directly related to Iraq or the the 'Stan, as some would have you believe.

And I'm not denying that things like oil prices do effect the economies world wide. Thats a given.

The problem I have is that every countries ills come from the Invasion of Iraq.

You're right. the US wasn't in Iraq when Hezballah bombed Marines' barracks in Beirut, bombed khobar towers in Saudi or killed Americans around the world and took them hostage. Islamists are killing Thais in southern Thailand on a daily basis. Palestinians have been killing each others and Israelis for the past 60 yrs.

Islamic terrorism has nothing to do with the US war in Iraq. It has been around for the past 1400 years and

The ills that come from Iraq for countries NOT involved in Iraq are extremely minor. To say it's non existent is not exactly true, because, like I said, just about anything affects something else.
i.e. it's possible that a Muslim man in his mid 20's without an education or job in Hamburg could be enticed to join a terror group partially because of what he sees on TV about Iraq.
But this effect is not as significant as people like to believe.
Actually to say Islamic terrorism has nothing to do with the US war in Iraq isn't entirely true, but the effect that the US war in Iraq has on Islamic terrorism abroad, outside of Iraq is minor.
Iranian operations throughout the Middle East is also ages old. Lots of people actually did know of the Hezbollah-Iran link well before Iraq but only by being there people are uncovering the extent to which Iran had been running its operations.

Originally Posted by the_13th_redneck

The ills that come from Iraq for countries NOT involved in Iraq are extremely minor. To say it's non existent is not exactly true, because, like I said, just about anything affects something else.
i.e. it's possible that a Muslim man in his mid 20's without an education or job in Hamburg could be enticed to join a terror group partially because of what he sees on TV about Iraq.
But this effect is not as significant as people like to believe.
Actually to say Islamic terrorism has nothing to do with the US war in Iraq isn't entirely true, but the effect that the US war in Iraq has on Islamic terrorism abroad, outside of Iraq is minor.
Iranian operations throughout the Middle East is also ages old. Lots of people actually did know of the Hezbollah-Iran link well before Iraq but only by being there people are uncovering the extent to which Iran had been running its operations.

Well-put!

To me, invasion of Iraq was wrong to the point that Iran and Syrian regimes weren't taken out and dealt with before it. I mean, any plan to spread democracy in the middle-east is depended on the situation in Iran... That government is making lots of troubles and had to be dealt with. These two are the major engines behind the insurgency along with the Saudi jihadists.

Man... really I think it's only a matter of time before America enters a slug fest with Iran.

just to put my toe in this potential minefield of a discussion....



apart from being disliked by the US, why shouldn't irans leader be able to go to ground zero? it's not like iran had any thing to do with it.


the US still deals with saudi arabia, and most of the 9/aa hijackers were saudi.

Originally Posted by the_13th_redneck

Man... really I think it's only a matter of time before America enters a slug fest with Iran.

Yep but lets do it another way: Regime Change!

Originally Posted by Infern0

just to put my toe in this potential minefield of a discussion....

apart from being disliked by the US, why shouldn't irans leader be able to go to ground zero? it's not like iran had any thing to do with it.

the US still deals with saudi arabia, and most of the 9/aa hijackers were saudi.

Don't be a trouble maker Infern0, you know that this will be ignored by P80, The truth has no place in this argument.

The Iranian madman is coming - He just landed at JFK airport



This is a sad moment for the freedom lovers of the world.

Originally Posted by Infern0

just to put my toe in this potential minefield of a discussion....



apart from being disliked by the US, why shouldn't irans leader be able to go to ground zero? it's not like iran had any thing to do with it.


the US still deals with saudi arabia, and most of the 9/aa hijackers were saudi.

Your right they were Saudi. I don't make dipolomatic decisions about who we deal with.

As far as Iran who actively supports terrorism in the Mid-East and actively spews venom at the West in General and the US in particular. I feel it would a slap in face to the famlies of the slain to let this Clown visit the site.