About Turning point of WW2 Page 8
|June 3rd, 2004||#71|
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It's true that Generals in their memoirs will make themselves look to be always right and someone else (usually Hitler) to be wrong. That is the nature of reading auto-biographies. But it's kinda funny how all of them say the same things about Hitler don't ya think?
Or do you think all those Generals and military experts, not just from Germany but from other countries as well could all be wrong and Hitler be right. Gosh, gee maybe?? /sarcasm off
It's fair to say to begin with there was a great deal of love and admiration towards Hitler by most if not all of his Generals. After all, he had brought the Army from the humilating terms of the Versaille Treaty and turned it into a thoroughly modern mechanised force with no expense spared on it. Hitler actually gave his Generals a relatively free hand in the first couple of years of the war. It's when he assumed the CinC role of OKH and tried to do everything himself that things began to fall apart.
Guderian argued with Hitler in November 1941 when the latter told him no retreat and to stand and die where they stood.
Does 'stand and die' sound like the advice of a brilliant strategist? Had the German generals obeyed that order the Wehrmacht would have been severly mauled, perhaps fatally so.
Hitler was indirectly responsible for the destruction of the 6th Army and part of the 4th Panzer Army at Stalingrad, by not allowing it to retreat when it was in danger of encirclement. He allowed himself to be persuaded by Herman Goering that the Luftwaffe could supply the trapped forces by air. Frederick Von Paulus, the commander of 6th Army, knew that this was an impossibility but was constantly denied by Hitler to retreat. Hitler even promoted Paulus to Field Marshall because he knew that Paulus knew that no German Field Marshall had ever surrendered. Hitler did not care one iota for all those loyal German soldiers - all he cared about was his stubborn feud with Stalin.
1. Who developed the German Panzer arm and came up with the notion of 'Blitzkrieg' ?
2. Who spearheaded the German Panzers in the Battle of France?
3. Who punched through the Soviet defences at the start of Operation Barbarossa and drove thousands of miles, capturing huge amounts of territory and hundreds of thousands of prisoners?
4. Who masterminded the vital recapture of Kharkov in early 1943 that saved Army Group South from destruction?
Was it Hitler?
Well, was it?
German industry was denied by Hitler to go onto a war footing because he wanted to spare the German people the harshness and rigours of war. That decision possibly cost him victory in 1941. Sounds like a pretty big deal to me and a rather unwise decision by Hitler.
BTW the word is moralE not moral, which means something entirely different. Perhaps if Hitler hadn't suggested courses of action that were clearly unwise his Generals wouldn't have argued?
Do you think attacking Stalingrad and then launching 'Operation Zitadel' were sound military decisions? Hitler obviously did as he approved them.
Anyway nice debating with ya, even if you are utterly wrong on most counts
|June 3rd, 2004||#75|
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1. would the two essay writers please report to the principals office? I will join you in a few minutes...with a tube of super glue, you two should join quite nicely..(they were good essays by the way, i did enjoy the points of view but....)
2. I think enough has been said about this topic. It will be locked untill someone can PM with a reason as to why it should be re-opened.
okay, that convinced me to re-open the topic. The topic is turning points of World War II. and if you want to essay, essay by all means, but lets keep it civil.
stay on the topic!
“If we should have to fight, we should be prepared to do so from the neck up instead of from the neck down.”— General James H. Doolittle, USAAF
|June 4th, 2004||#76|
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WARNING: OFF TOPIC.
THIS ONE IS FOR DOODLEGRABBER ( did i spell that correctly?)
The actual word is SYCOPHANTIC...I APPRECIATE YOU TRYING TO TEACH ME SOME ENGLISH JUST PLEASE DON'T GIVE UP YOUR DAY JOB...
NO OFFENSE INTENDED...
|June 4th, 2004||#77|
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SYCOPHANTIC [adj] attempting to win favor from influential people by flattery. Synonyms: bootlicking, fawning, insincere, obsequious, toadyish
Ok....So just what does this word have to to with the turning point of WWII?
You people really need to take it to personal messaging if you want to continue this bickering and word tossing. Not here. Not anymore.
Last Warning: Stay on the topic of the Turning Point of WWII...or the topic will not only be locked...but we will see if we can modify the offenders on-line behavior through isolation.
|June 25th, 2004||#78|
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Definitely the Battle of Stalingrad was the turning point. When the Germans were halted in 1941 in the Battle of Moscow, was probably the most significant event in WW2. If the Soviets had completely collapsed in 41, it would have been extremely difficult to remove the Germans from Western Europe later on. I don't how the Allies would have done it without a greater loss of human life amongst the Western powers. The war would have dragged on for years. On an equal footing I think the German units, commanders and generals were more professional overall than us. General Patton still would have given the Germans a run for their money in Europe. Our overall industrial muscle probably would have made the difference in the end. Thank goodness Hitler stuffed things up on the Eastern Front.
|June 25th, 2004||#79|
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i think it was the yanks coming into the war that was the turning point. they brought the biggest industrial power in the world behind them and had some great weapons (Springfield/.30 cal/thompson, etc)
which were massively effective against the enemy. they also brought great manpower, which really was the weapon to break the deadlock.
|July 27th, 2004||#80|
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I'd go for Moscow, plus Stalingrad or Leningrad, any battle that stopped the Germans winning on the Eastern front. If Russia was knocked out of the war there would be no invasion of France.
If Russia went down before winter '41 and Japan running amok in the Pacific, it may have been a bit sticky for Britain and the U.S.