He's right phoenix, look at the link, over two decades the United States sold almost $200 million worth of equipment to Iraq or .5% of their total import of arms from that time period. Clearly we are responsible in whole for anything Saddam was ever done, not say the Soviet Union which supplied Iraq with 69% of their weapons systems over that time period, or France at 13% or China at 12%, just us.[/sarcasm]

Egypt sold more weapons to Saddam and most of that would be second-hand Soviet equipment.

Originally Posted by Damien435

He's right phoenix, look at the link, over two decades the United States sold almost $200 million worth of equipment to Iraq or .5% of their total import of arms from that time period. Clearly we are responsible in whole for anything Saddam was ever done, not say the Soviet Union which supplied Iraq with 69% of their weapons systems over that time period, or France at 13% or China at 12%, just us.[/sarcasm]

Egypt sold more weapons to Saddam and most of that would be second-hand Soviet equipment.

I still can't buy that my friend. There was not a single AMERICAN equipment in their army when Iraq liberated in 2003.

I am still waiting to hear about examples of American military equipment in the Iraqi army

Originally Posted by phoenix80

It's BS

Name one American warplane in their inventory, for instance.

Soviets didn't have to go to Americans to be able to sell their stuff to Iraqis. They sold them directly.

Phoenix, if you read my post carefully you will see that i did not refer to the USA selling to Iraq, equipment made in the USA. I said that the USA arranged for non-american origin weapons, in this case soviet weapons, to be sold to Iraq.

I don't see why you're still harking on about US equipment in Iraqi hands in 2003

I also did not say that the Soviets did not have to go to the Americans to sell their stuff to the Iraqis. I said that the soviets did not supply ALL the soviet weaponary to Iraq. They did sell most of it but that is not all of it.

dude, whats your proof to this claim?

My claim that the US provided iraq with weapons of non US origin in the 80's or my claim that the soviets did not supply all the soviet origin weaponary to iraq but supplied the majority?

Originally Posted by jequirity

My claim that the US provided iraq with weapons of non US origin in the 80's or my claim that the soviets did not supply all the soviet origin weaponary to iraq but supplied the majority?

both, if possible!

The link i posted earlier, cos its wikipedia has a list of references for that article. You should find the answers and evidence there.

"Iraq successfully gained some military and financial aid, as well as diplomatic and moral support, from the Soviet Union, China, France, and the United States, which together feared the prospects of the expansion of revolutionary Iran's influence in the region."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_...2.80.931988.29

"Iraq's army was primarily armed with weaponry it had purchased from the Soviet Union and its satellites in the preceding decade. During the war, it purchased billions of dollars worth of advanced equipment from the Soviet Union, France,[27] as well as from the People's Republic of China, Egypt, Germany, and other sources (including Europe and facilities for making and/or enhancing chemical weapons). Germany[28] along with other Western countries (among them United Kingdom, France, Spain (Explosivos Alaveses), Canada, Italy and the United States) provided Iraq with biological and chemical weapons technology and the precursors to nuclear capabilities"

"The U.S. sold Iraq $200 million in helicopters, which were used by the Iraqi military in the war. These were the only direct U.S.-Iraqi military sales and were valued to be about 0.6% of Iraq's conventional weapons imports during the war"

"The United States, United Kingdom, and Germany also provided "dual use" technology (computers, engines, etc.) that allowed Iraq to expand its missile program and radar defenses. The U.S. Commerce Department, in violation of procedure, gave out licenses to companies for $1.5 billion in dual-use items to be sent to Iraq. The State Department was not informed of this. Over 1 billion of these authorized items were trucks that were never delivered. The rest consisted of advanced technology. Iraq's Soviet-made Scuds had their ranges expanded as a result.[32]"

"According to Iraq's report to the UN, the know-how and material for developing chemical weapons were obtained from firms in such countries as: the United States, West Germany, the United Kingdom, France and the People's Republic of China."

"On 25 May 1994, The U.S. Senate Banking Committee released a report in which it was stated that pathogenic (meaning disease producing), toxigenic (meaning poisonous) and other biological research materials were exported to Iraq, pursuant to application and licensing by the U.S. Department of Commerce. It added: "These exported biological materials were not attenuated or weakened and were capable of reproduction."[41] The report then detailed 70 shipments (including Anthrax Bacillus) from the United States to Iraqi government agencies over three years, concluding that "these microorganisms exported by the United States were identical to those the UN inspectors found and recovered from the Iraqi biological warfare program."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Ir...nt_and_support

There's one thing I respect the Turks for, and its their strong military culture.

Their culture respects their soldiers and they love the military.

Originally Posted by YManchun

There's one thing I respect the Turks for, and its their strong military culture.

Their culture respects their soldiers and they love the military.

They were certainly an honourable enemy during WWI. We Australians (along with many others) invaded their country, they beat us off but remained magnanimous in victory.

Then again, it was only to be expected from people led by such a great statesman as Mustapha Kemal. (Attaturk).