Topic: Turkey, member of European Union? 9

Ted · February 1st, 2006

Well I only can speak for myself, but it's not the democracy that does it for me (only a little). As I have stated before it's the common history. There needs to be a basis for a common identity and the expansion in 2004 for already stretching that! It takes time and rushing it will only harm the unity of the EU. But that's just my opinion.

oRTouCH · February 1st, 2006

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Originally Posted by phoenix80

yeah? do they kill/jail their minorities?

If you mean PKK as minorities yes we jail and kill them... Because they are not minority THEY are damned Terrorists...!

Why don't we kill our other Kurdish citizens? Why we only kill PKK terrorists...? Answer these questions!

You dont know anything about our war with PKK...!

We killed PKK militans because they killed our innocent civilans..!!!
We killed them because they also killed our 30000 innocent citizens including Kurdish ones.!

Dont talk about a subject which you have no information.!!!!

Ted · February 1st, 2006

Wow, oRTouch, aren't you touchy on the subject? It is a legitimate question, because the PKK business does tarnish the image of the whole of Turkey. I know that things have been relatively calm lately, but it remains a legitimate question.... (IMO)

godofthunder9010 · February 1st, 2006

What the heck is PKK??

As far as I am aware, the Turkish government is not actively engaged in enforcement of racism and religionism. They have their shameful past in that regard: The Armenian Holocaust carried out by the Ottoman Empire. Out of curiosity, how does that past history affect Turkish thinking, if at all?? For instance, Germany is greatly influence by the Holocaust in WW2. I've always wondered if Turkey is similar.

Ted · February 2nd, 2006

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Originally Posted by godofthunder9010

What the heck is PKK??

As far as I am aware, the Turkish government is not actively engaged in enforcement of racism and religionism. They have their shameful past in that regard: The Armenian Holocaust carried out by the Ottoman Empire. Out of curiosity, how does that past history affect Turkish thinking, if at all?? For instance, Germany is greatly influence by the Holocaust in WW2. I've always wondered if Turkey is similar.

The answer to your first question, you can find here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdistan_Workers_Party

And to your second question:
Turkey does not acknowledge the fact that it was a genocide. Many died of hunger while being deported from their homegrounds. Many died of cold, disease, hunger etc and only a couple of thousand were actively killed.
Turkey didn't do business with a some countries who saw it as a genocide..... so you could savely say they didn't loose any sleep over it.

oRTouCH · February 2nd, 2006

PKK is not a PArty man.. Its a terrorist group!

There was no Armenian Genocide.... Its not true.. They started to fight against Turkish forces with the support of Russia.. They killed our innocent civilians. And we sent them to Syria till the war ends. But on the way to Syria they died because of the cold weather and because of the angry villagers.! Its all that can not called genocide.!

phoenix80 · February 2nd, 2006

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Originally Posted by oRTouCH

If you mean PKK as minorities yes we jail and kill them... Because they are not minority THEY are damned Terrorists...!

Why don't we kill our other Kurdish citizens? Why we only kill PKK terrorists...? Answer these questions!

You dont know anything about our war with PKK...!

We killed PKK militans because they killed our innocent civilans..!!!
We killed them because they also killed our 30000 innocent citizens including Kurdish ones.!

Dont talk about a subject which you have no information.!!!!

well if your stupid government had given them civil rights, they wouldnt be turned to terrorists.

See, your society is still undemocratic so wait in the line to enter EU

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There was no Armenian Genocide.... Its not true.. They started to fight against Turkish forces with the support of Russia.. They killed our innocent civilians. And we sent them to Syria till the war ends. But on the way to Syria they died because of the cold weather and because of the angry villagers.! Its all that can not called genocide.!

Indeed your country killed hundreds of thousands of Armenian Christians in early 20th century and it is a genocide.

They had to leave Turkey and die on the way because your army forced them to

Ask any Armenian about that, they still hold rallies in month of April, every year, to condemn the Turkish government.

Damien435 · February 2nd, 2006

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But on the way to Syria they died because of the cold weather and because of the angry villagers.! Its all that can not called genocide.!

And who was it that forced the Armenians to move to Syria?

So Japan is not responsible for the deaths of the thousands of Allied POW's during the Baatan Death March?

Is the US government not responsible for the thousands of Native Americans that died on the Trail of Tears?

mmarsh · February 2nd, 2006

Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan was quoted as saying the cartoons -- one depicting the founder of Islam wearing a turban resembling a bomb showed press freedom should have its limits. -From CNN

With opinions like this, is it any wonder why people dont want Turkey in the EU.

phoenix80 · February 3rd, 2006

Turkey is years away from becoming a civil and democratic society.

Until then EU is not a good place for such country

February 1st, 2006	Post 81
Ted Tribunus Laticlavius Gear	Well I only can speak for myself, but it's not the democracy that does it for me (only a little). As I have stated before it's the common history. There needs to be a basis for a common identity and the expansion in 2004 for already stretching that! It takes time and rushing it will only harm the unity of the EU. But that's just my opinion. __________________ A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject. Sir Winston Churchill

February 1st, 2006	Post 84
godofthunder9010 Tribunus Laticlavius Gear	What the heck is PKK?? As far as I am aware, the Turkish government is not actively engaged in enforcement of racism and religionism. They have their shameful past in that regard: The Armenian Holocaust carried out by the Ottoman Empire. Out of curiosity, how does that past history affect Turkish thinking, if at all?? For instance, Germany is greatly influence by the Holocaust in WW2. I've always wondered if Turkey is similar. __________________ "It is well that war is so terrible, else we should grow too fond of it." - General Robert E. Lee Warning, critical pebkac error in the iD10t!! pebkac\wtflolurpwnzd\snafuroflmao.exe called iD10t, iD10t failed to respond!! System in danger!! "It takes a big man to admit when he's wrong. I am NOT a big man." -Chevy Chase

February 1st, 2006	Post 83
Ted Tribunus Laticlavius Gear	Wow, oRTouch, aren't you touchy on the subject? It is a legitimate question, because the PKK business does tarnish the image of the whole of Turkey. I know that things have been relatively calm lately, but it remains a legitimate question.... (IMO)

February 2nd, 2006	Post 86
oRTouCH Optio Gear	PKK is not a PArty man.. Its a terrorist group! There was no Armenian Genocide.... Its not true.. They started to fight against Turkish forces with the support of Russia.. They killed our innocent civilians. And we sent them to Syria till the war ends. But on the way to Syria they died because of the cold weather and because of the angry villagers.! Its all that can not called genocide.!

February 2nd, 2006	Post 89
mmarsh Tribunus Laticlavius Gear	Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan was quoted as saying the cartoons -- one depicting the founder of Islam wearing a turban resembling a bomb showed press freedom should have its limits. -From CNN With opinions like this, is it any wonder why people dont want Turkey in the EU.

February 3rd, 2006	Post 90
phoenix80 Banned Gear	Turkey is years away from becoming a civil and democratic society. Until then EU is not a good place for such country