BMW 335d. I own and AUG SA (the original with the integrated sight) with the bayonette lug and the Austrian issue bayonette. Haven't used it in combat, but the barrel is pretty heavy and it balances out the rest of the weapon pretty well. The butt is pretty strong and I really think it would survive an impact much better than a M-16 or any iteration thereof. I would not recommend the Austrian issue bayonette, damn expensive in the states and it looks like it was stamped out of steel and painted -- quite crude compared to the AUG.

Originally Posted by Quasimodem

BMW 335d. I own and AUG SA (the original with the integrated sight) with the bayonette lug and the Austrian issue bayonette. Haven't used it in combat, but the barrel is pretty heavy and it balances out the rest of the weapon pretty well. The butt is pretty strong and I really think it would survive an impact much better than a M-16 or any iteration thereof. I would not recommend the Austrian issue bayonette, damn expensive in the states and it looks like it was stamped out of steel and painted -- quite crude compared to the AUG.

No wonder they called it "space age" back in the day. ha

The Steyr is by far the biggest piece of crap ever purchased by the Australian Army - low range, minimal hitting power and it looks shithouse when used for drill.
I should know - I trialled the pieces of junk with 6RAR in 1990 before they became standard issue - weren't popular then, aren't popular now.
Something in a 7.62 variant is required for suitable range and stoppingpower.

Remember murphies law; your equipment is supplied by the lowest bidder

Originally Posted by Yossarian

Now go and look at what Ferrari Has gone and done.

A Ferrari with AWD, but yes it gets better, a HATCHBACK, looks like the Italians enjoyed the Panamera.

I wonder how the new FF will manage? A Ferrari that you can pick up groceries in, or your Tunisian soldiers with their F 88s.

The best looking cars ever produced (in my humble opinion) the 1929 Bentley Blower and the E Type Jaguar. Unreliable I know, but who cares.

Originally Posted by fireoverwater

The Steyr is by far the biggest piece of crap ever purchased by the Australian Army - low range, minimal hitting power and it looks shithouse when used for drill.
I should know - I trialled the pieces of junk with 6RAR in 1990 before they became standard issue - weren't popular then, aren't popular now.
Something in a 7.62 variant is required for suitable range and stoppingpower.

Remember murphies law; your equipment is supplied by the lowest bidder

I heard that the Aussies had problems with it. I hate bull-pups with a passion, give me the old L1A1 every time.

Originally Posted by fireoverwater

The Steyr is by far the biggest piece of crap ever purchased by the Australian Army - low range, minimal hitting power and it looks shithouse when used for drill.
I should know - I trialled the pieces of junk with 6RAR in 1990 before they became standard issue - weren't popular then, aren't popular now.
Something in a 7.62 variant is required for suitable range and stoppingpower.

Remember murphies law; your equipment is supplied by the lowest bidder

Lets make one thing plainly clear: the 5.56mm NATO round will do the job. It's put a lot of people into the ground since first introduced.

Originally Posted by 42RM

Lets make one thing plainly clear: the 5.56mm NATO round will do the job. It's put a lot of people into the ground since first introduced.

And plenty of our guys are doing the job with exactly a 5.56 round.

The F88 has certainly had it's issues, but I don't think you can really compare the models kicking around now with the ADI trial gats that would've been kicking around before Gulf War 1.

Originally Posted by Botak

And plenty of our guys are doing the job with exactly a 5.56 round.

The F88 has certainly had it's issues, but I don't think you can really compare the models kicking around now with the ADI trial gats that would've been kicking around before Gulf War 1.

And to add to that, every new system has its problems at the start (have a look at the F111 or the Raven radio for an example), that's exactly why they have trials - to find any problems and sort them out.

Glad you guys brought this thread to the top! It was great to have a re-read and spend a moment remembering how much of a cock LeMask was!