Originally Posted by wolfen

I prefer war games over anything else myself, either Land, Sea, Or air, The sims have just never quite done it for me.

Totally agree with you, I'm surprised they don't have a single one on that list. Tbh that list is pretty pathetic calling some of those titles "sims" is pushing it a bit.

Anyways, my current favorite by far is a military simulator ArmA 2 (armed assault 2) / VBS, of course you really need a serious multiplayer milsim community like Operation Reality Community (ORC aka Opreal) around you to really get the most out of this type of game.

There are loads of awesome videos on Youtube for this game, check em out!

I like sims, but prefer wargames. So, I cannot make 5, just two:

- Harpoon (Naval)
- TacOps (Ground, squad/coy level)

I have tried many others in the (computer) wargaming (and focus on simulation) section, but none else made it to pass my requisits.

Rattler

I heard about TACOPS but I don't know if I want to shell money out for a game I'm not sure I'll be playing very often.
But maybe I should... I have a feeling I will learn a lot from it.

Originally Posted by the_13th_redneck

I heard about TACOPS but I don't know if I want to shell money out for a game I'm not sure I'll be playing very often.
But maybe I should... I have a feeling I will learn a lot from it.

From my POV, with the 25$ invested (and a free, unexpirable demo to test away all you want at http://www.battlefront.com/index.php...122&Itemid=172), dual platform, and all US FMs included you cannot waste money, really.

It sure is no graphically glitzy game (think a mil map in your coy CP), but if you want to learn RL tactics, it will provide you with all the challenges and results you can and hope to expect (from an abstraction, that is).

Excellent and flexible tactics education and training tool between squad and BN level battles, 24/7 support by the programmer himself (Major Holdridge, USMC ret.), a well formed, educated flame-free list of long time users (I have been 17 yrs on the list now) to back you up, my best ever price/value relation game wise.

Only one flaw: Since 2 years new developments (which are available to the USMC officially and to some testers inofficially) have gone a bit (much) into hiatus, as the good Major just let us know today from his Texan lake cabin hideout:

I am not currently working on the hobby version of TacOps for either the Mac or the PC. However, the unfinished hobby v5 code is still on both of my dev machines and it is right where I left it two years ago - when I got supremely pissed off by it, Apple, and Microsoft.

I continue to await inspiration. I just paid Apple $540 for another year of
ADC membership so I have not given up completely. The coding muse seems to be having trouble finding me at the lake cabin.

Still, with what we have now (and knowing what the Major has on his machine, updates usually are free), definitely worthwile.

I recommend to start out with the demo to get a grip, try the delivered human vs. AI scenarios of the demo, and then straightaway go into network or PBM gaming, you will have endless hours of fun and serious (in chess level, or, to put it USMC wise, in Tactical Vignette level style).

My take on TacOps, FWIW.

Rattler

I'm downloading the demo now.

1. Arma Armed Assault

Based off of the RL military training sim VBS2.
Here are some links to show you game play. Mind this is Actual in game footage and sounds.

No military simulator comes close!


A video from the Arma- Ace Mod
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lbsf1...eature=related

Heres a video for the Arma- Iraq modern warfare mod
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9AW6d-14kk&feature=fvw

Just listen how realistic the Shockwave from the 500lbr sounds....lol, amazing!


By far the best sim EVER. This is in no way shape or form a game. So please don't go out and get it expecting to just shoot people up. Sometimes in game you'll go for hours looking for IED's or searching houses, and not see a single insurgent. If you get bored just give it a while, or try bringing your convoy straight through a hostile area...lol.

No, this is the most realistic military sim ever

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5tRNs2X5Q4

Originally Posted by A Can of Man

No, this is the most realistic military sim ever

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5tRNs2X5Q4

Arma is a bit like that through parts of it....lol.

It's an old game and I can't remember the name of it but it was an M1 Abrams tank simulation. My stepdad played it and he said it was incredibly realistic.

Steel Beasts?