Originally Posted by Zastava-Arms

Probably at BVR, but if it got into a dogfight with a Eurofighter or Su-35 then the USAF will need to replace it real quick.

Then it beter not get into a tangle with a eurofighter or SU-35, Cause the Air force just got it and Obama will give the deer in the headlight look if one gets blown away, But I'll put a Rhino up against either plane one on one any day

(Rhino=F-18 Superhornet..........Tomcat with a new body is what I was told by the guys that fly it )

And we always have the F-35 Joint strike fighter, well if they ever build it and stop arguing about wether or not it needs a tailhook

Actually they lowered the amount of F-35's to be purchased.

Originally Posted by Zastava-Arms

Actually they lowered the amount of F-35's to be purchased.

If they really did that instead of just saying they did, maybe the Navy can keep the current aircraft they have, you know, the ones that work

Yeah, apparently the F-35 has trouble taking off from an aircraft carrier.

I think they shouldnt have taken the tomcats out of service, y'know. They still would have made any less sophisticated air force worry.

Originally Posted by Zastava-Arms

Yeah, apparently the F-35 has trouble taking off from an aircraft carrier.

I think they shouldnt have taken the tomcats out of service, y'know. They still would have made any less sophisticated air force worry.

Since I doubt you can supply sources to support your contention, I will supply the following:


http:////www.flightglobal.com/articl...r-us-navy.html

"The CF-1 prototype model is now expected to start flight tests in late December, reflecting a three-month schedule slip. It is projected to be the fourth F-35 prototype to enter flight test, following the non-production configuration AA-1, and STOVL aircraft BF-1 and BF-2."

Originally Posted by wolfen

But I'll put a Rhino up against either plane one on one any day

(Rhino=F-18 Superhornet..........Tomcat with a new body is what I was told by the guys that fly it )

I know, Navy pride and all, but I wouldn't put a Rhino up against a Raptor without some serious voodoo on my side...

How bout rotary aircraft?

Originally Posted by Zastava-Arms

Sure have mate, and if I imagined it going up against a Su-35 or MiG-35 in a dogfight you might aswell compare it to a black belt martial artist fighting a 90 year old peace loving hippy.


The latter representing the F22, of course.

In test combat F 15's could not deal with the F22 and none of our F 15's ever lost to a Mig. The F 22's agility and stealth will make it damn hard to just target...assuming you last that long. Have the Russian planes caught up to the F-15? Perhaps,but F-15 jocks have said 5 F-15's can't take out one Raptor....

Cost effective? Maybe, maybe not.
High maintanance? We'll see. It's fast,agile,and stealthy enough that few current fighters can find it and get a lock on it. I doubt there's many times an F 22 gets in a twisty dogfight with guns.

I used to spar with a couple of roomies who were martial artists,when I was a YOUNG peace loving hippy. Now.....30 yr older..if a Black Belt was after me,I'd just shoot the bloke in the knee and jog away.

Sexiest bird? The Blackbird. Just getting to see one take off once was a thrill.

Originally Posted by c/Commander

I know, Navy pride and all, but I wouldn't put a Rhino up against a Raptor without some serious voodoo on my side...

I would after seeing first hand what a Rhino can do I'd have to go with the F-18 SH, Of course I'd always place my money on a Cat any day.
I've seen first hand what the Superhornet can do compared to the F-35 at an air show competition, and the only advantage the 35 has is stealth, and one hellofa tight turning radius, BUT the Rhino's can do something the 35 can't, the Rhino can use its cannon and rip the plastic wings off a F-35, and I don't care how much hiding from radar a 35 can do, line of sight is STILL a pilots best friend in combat

Originally Posted by Chukpike

Since I doubt you can supply sources to support your contention, I will supply the following:


http:////www.flightglobal.com/articl...r-us-navy.html

"The CF-1 prototype model is now expected to start flight tests in late December, reflecting a three-month schedule slip. It is projected to be the fourth F-35 prototype to enter flight test, following the non-production configuration AA-1, and STOVL aircraft BF-1 and BF-2."

Only one engine? They must be really reliable, as a mech I'd be damed if I got in a bird with one engine. I used to have the ulitmate respect for A-7 drivers. They have major kohonas

Originally Posted by Sukio

How bout rotary aircraft?

For what?