Wad about SU 27?

The F14 was a terrible dog fighting aircraft. Pilots called it a "Grape" meaning if the pilot put it into a few hard turns the power would squeeze out of it and could not be easily regained. The airforce and navy rarely put their aircraft in head to head mock dogfights but when they did given pilots of equal ability the f14 always lost. You guys should quit getting your info from top gun.

As for the government trying to kill the f15 and f16 its kind of a long story and boils down to politicians making poor decisions for the military. A good read would be the bio on John Boyd if you are intrested in the subject.

Ummmm....First place gone to.........F-15 Eagle.

The F14 was a terrible dog fighting aircraft. Pilots called it a "Grape" meaning if the pilot put it into a few hard turns the power would squeeze out of it and could not be easily regained. The airforce and navy rarely put their aircraft in head to head mock dogfights but when they did given pilots of equal ability the f14 always lost.

The engine problem was fixed very early on and the kill ratios disprove your other point themselves.

WEll, the F-15 is great, my country has just bought some from US!

Originally Posted by Rabs

The engine problem was fixed very early on and the kill ratios disprove your other point themselves.

Yes but the Kill ratios were mostly against 3 rate pilots from middle eastern countries with inferior planes (SU-17s, MiG-23). I think the F-14 could have been in real trouble against a Soviet, European, or USAF pilot, espically in a dogfight. Remember the F-14 was designed for fleet defense it was never designed as a dogfighter). A MiG-29 or SU-27 could run laps around it.

1. F-15C
2. F-16C
3. F-18C
4. F-14A
5. Mirage 2000
6. Tornado ADV
7. JA37 Viggen
8. MiG-31
9. F-4E
10. MiG-29

Hey what about the Swedish Saab-37 Viggen?

anyone? its an interesting choice.. I think it should be concidered..


check those places out:

http://www.vectorsite.net/avvig.html

http://www.tayyareci.com/digerucaklar/isvec/viggen.asp

oh and this one

http://www.zap16.com/mil%20fact/saab%2037%20viggen.htm

Originally Posted by MightyMacbeth

Hey what about the Swedish Saab-37 Viggen?

anyone? its an interesting choice.. I think it should be concidered..

If you read the thread from beginning you would have noticed that it was number 7 on shocktroop's list.

Looks like an uglified mirage to me.