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August 25th, 2008   #31
Ski8799
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MontyB
And much like the Warrior not an 8x8 either.

I have always liked the Bradley but sadly it doesn't fit this list.
actually it does have an 8X8 roadwheel configuration, go ahead, count em'


"The nation that makes a great distinction between its scholars and its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done by fools"
Thucydides
 
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August 25th, 2008   #32
MontyB
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ski8799
actually it does have an 8X8 roadwheel configuration, go ahead, count em'
Hey don't get me wrong here the Bradley is the vehicle I would have in any military it would rate as one of my favorite AFV's and given New Zealands usage of British vehicles in the past I am a little surprised we didn't purchase the Warrior which is also an excellent vehicle but it clearly neither of them are designated 8x8s, however I would rate both of them highly in their respective class.


Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices. - Voltaire 1694-1778
 
November 27th, 2008   #33
LeMask
 
Damn... Some of these things look damn good...

I wish I had a vehicule like that... I would feel safer when my girlfriend gets mad... My car provide poor protection...

But If I was dealing with anti tank weapons... I wouldnt take these things... Come on guys, they are as armored as a Snowplow... and with these damn big cannons and turrets on the top, they look like a tank... Especially the Warrior IFV...

The enemy in front of you will see it as a priority target... A light tank... Poorly armored... And they will attack it with everything they have...

And to think that these things are fully loaded with ammo and soldiers... damn... It's an invitation for a slaughter...
 
November 27th, 2008   #34
Rorke
 
Patria and Stryker, they both have advanced additional armor packets ( plus Stryker gets slat armor which gives even more protection against rocket propelled grenades ).

Every other vehicle listed is inferior in armour protection ( the Boxer has an additional armor packet that puts it in the same league as Stryker and Patria but significantly decreases speed ).

The BTR series are, all of them including the newest models a modernisation of an old project, they suffer in armaments, armor and manouverability and are generally inferior to every other vehicle listed here.

However i dont have any information on Pars, could anyone forward me a helpfull site ?
 
November 27th, 2008   #35
factanonverba
 
The list are not good...everyone forget the M113 and many more track armoured personnel carrier. The first armoured personnel carrier based on M4 sherman chassie (for resist against Pak38 and Panzerfaust) was the Kangaroo APC ,made by the canadian forces. He was probably the tool of the allies victory in Africa,France,Netherland and Germany between 1943-1945. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kangaroo_(armoured_personnel_carrier) The famous action history of the canadian Kangaroo was in Operation Totalize in Caen (france) against the 1st division SS Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler (Strong division).

He had few problem against 88mm gun flakartillery but he had better protection and more mobility than the light M3 Half-track and Bren Gun Carrier. He was the first real APC in the world with enought protection and can be deployable around the world from ships to the large aircraft, after the world war two, american was inspired by the Kangaroo for made the M113 who changing the face of the battlefield in vietnam and for the futur. During cold war russia made the BMD-1 and many was inspired by the shape of the soviet made, today around the globe the wheeled armoured personnel carrier use the identicale basic shape from the BMD-1 such the LAV-III and BTR-3.

So in the :

TOP 1# the Kangaroo APC
 
November 27th, 2008   #36
SHERMAN
 
 
Read the toppic of the thread again slowly, count to 5 and think.


 
November 27th, 2008   #37
Lunatik
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by LeMask
Damn... Some of these things look damn good...

I wish I had a vehicule like that... I would feel safer when my girlfriend gets mad... My car provide poor protection...

But If I was dealing with anti tank weapons... I wouldnt take these things... Come on guys, they are as armored as a Snowplow... and with these damn big cannons and turrets on the top, they look like a tank... Especially the Warrior IFV...

The enemy in front of you will see it as a priority target... A light tank... Poorly armored... And they will attack it with everything they have...

And to think that these things are fully loaded with ammo and soldiers... damn... It's an invitation for a slaughter...
The idea behind an APC isn't anti-tank warfare. For that, you have other tanks, helicopters, AFVs with anti-tank missiles and anti-tank infantry. An APC is basically a battle field transport. Its purpose is to bring your soldiers and some supplies to the front lines as FAST as it can, to protect them from enemy fire and return (limited) fire as BEST as it can, and do all that as CHEAP as it can. It's never meant to go out, search and destroy tanks.

Also, in most situations a tank is often a higher priority target than an APC, as unlike the APC, it's a major and direct threat against the observing enemy unit. Therfore they will generally shoot at the tank before they will shoot at the APC.

FNSS's PARS 8x8 APC vehicle with a Turkish infantry team:

Last edited by Lunatik; November 27th, 2008 at 15:55..
 
November 27th, 2008   #38
LeMask
 
I hear you Lunatik, I guess it's obvious for you guys, as you know your job...

But for me, it looks like a small tank... I will have a hard time seeing the difference between an M60 Patton and most of these vehicules...

I understand their role in the battlefield... But these look like a juicy target for any opposing force in the field with some anti-tank capabilities... RPG squad or any AT team...

And even in the scenario where there is an abram and a troop carrier... I think that the enemy will attack the troop carrier first... Because his chances to disable the abrams are ridiculous...
They would make much more damage by attacking the softer target and retreating rather than to face the abrams...

And when it comes to patroling, a humvees convoy does the trick...
 
November 27th, 2008   #39
Lunatik
 
 
Well, I guess target prioritization would really depend on the circumstances. If you're a tank, you'd want to shoot at the other tank first as the instinct for self-survival often overrides a lot of other factors and sometimes even logical reasoning. An APC generally can't hurt a modern tank, but another tank can. In tank-vs-tank battle it's often first see, first shoot, first kill. You want to first eliminate what can kill you, only then as a commander you'll feel comfortable enough to focus on the other, tactically less significant object. Trying to blow up an APC while another tank is fixing sights on you is insanity, in my opinion.

But I don't know, we should ask Sherman what he'd do, he's a tank commander, and of one of the most harshly battle-tested tanks in a very unstable region too.

Also, even though there are many differences and levels of armor quality and capabilities among modern tanks, no tank is invincible! A well placed cannon shell or ANY modern anti-tank missile or ANY modern anti-tank mine or even a nicely improvised, intelligently placed roadside bomb that's packing enough juice will take out ANY modern tank or at least render it inoperable until towed away and repaired.

But of course, if you're not a tank and you're only carrying an RPG, you'd shoot at what you can kill. In that case your logical target would definitely be the APC. That's why most APC's now come with some kind of small cannon or machien gun turret, for self defence against soft targets that do pose a threat.

Last edited by Lunatik; November 27th, 2008 at 17:27..
 
November 27th, 2008   #40
SHERMAN
 
 
target prioritziation for tanks is usually-

Tanks-ATGM-Engineer Vehicles(on defense)- APCs- Infantery.

Sometimes the ATGMs come first- if the tank is too far to be a threat or if the ATGM is clearly far more dangerous(AT-14 at 2500m and T-55 at 2500m- easy decision to attack the AT-14 first)
 



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