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October 30th, 2005   Post 11
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Wow that explanes alot of interresting information.
 
October 30th, 2005   Post 12
hululoo
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Post; impressive!


typical brotherhood in troops
 
October 30th, 2005   Post 13
ozmilman
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Hmmm, i have no idea what to make of that... While impressive in dedication it honestly seems a bit overboard to me. Would these people who are buried in Arlington really want these men to go all thru that? I know it's an honour for the guard, but it just seems a little crazy to me...

Still very impressive however, i'm just not sure what to make of it.

Rich.
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October 30th, 2005   Post 14
LeEnfield
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We learn some thing new every day, many thanks tom tom for posting this article
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October 30th, 2005   Post 15
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The regimen does seem a little extreme but as for how much of an honor it is to those who are interred and those who stand the post, I'll bet TomTom and LeEnfield could give us all a little insight on why. To both of you guys.
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October 30th, 2005   Post 16
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Originally Posted by MilidarUSMC
"cannot drink any alcohol on or off duty for the rest of their lives"
"They cannot swear in public for the rest of their lives"
"The first six months of duty a guard cannot talk to anyone, nor watch TV"
for me to believe that i would need some sources, one b/c this country was founded over alcohol and the rest of your life is a long time . and no swearing, hey $h1t happens, impossible to never curse and whose to decide whats a curse word or not? 6months no talking to anyone, how is he going to learn his job w/o tlaking to others who are currently in the job. best place to get knowledge is to pick someones brain who knows what there doing. and how will he get current world news, does he get every newspaper in the world or is he just going to be SOL when it comes down to whats goin on in the world?

1 thing more believable but sounds like a waste of time "Every guard spends five hours a day getting his uniforms ready for guard duty" how could it take 5hrs w/ a uniform, i could understand 2hrs for someone who is slow but it sounds like barrack support, just a time killer, to say they do something. they probably all chill around a TV playing PS2 or something. it sounds fishy to me.
I agree with Milidar
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October 30th, 2005   Post 17
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There are a lot of rumors about the Sentinels. Most of them are false. Here ia a site the clears up some the the rumors. http://www.tombguard.org/FAQ.html
 
October 30th, 2005   Post 18
LeEnfield
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Well I must admit that things are not that extreme over here, also I don't think that they would find many men in the Army that could give up drinking and swearing for life, even the Padres swear just like the troopers and the ones I knew would mix it with the soldiers.
 
October 30th, 2005   Post 19
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Gear

some interesting stuff really..thanx chap
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October 31st, 2005   Post 20
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They must commit 2 years of life to guard the tomb, live in a barracks under the tomb, and cannot drink any alcohol on or off duty for the rest of their lives.

Even the Old Guard doesn't regulate the off-duty lives of its members so stringently!

Sentinels at the Tomb do not have to commit to serving there for any fixed period of time, and the average tour of duty is only about half the two year period claimed here. Like most servicemen, Tomb guards may live either on-base (at nearby Fort Myer) or off-base in housing of their choosing. There are no restrictions on guards' off-duty drinking.

They cannot swear in public for the rest of their lives and cannot disgrace the uniform (fighting) or the tomb in any way. After two years, the guard is given a wreath pin that is worn on their lapel signifying they served as guard of the tomb. There are only 400 presently worn. The guard must obey these rules for the rest of their lives or give up the wreath pin.

The Tomb Guard Identification Badge, first awarded in 1957, is a honor for which a guard qualifies by "flawlessly performing his duty for several months" and passing a test, not something simply handed out to everyone who serves for a given period of time:

Once the sentinel has completed his or her training, he or she is examined formally for proficiency in performing the duties and in knowledge of ANC. He or she must first pass a written examination of 100 questions about ANC and then be evaluated on proficiency in keeping watch at the Tomb of the Unknowns.

Upon successful completion, the soldier is awarded a temporary Tomb Guard's Badge at a ceremony presided over by the company commander. The Badge is one of the Army's higher honors and can be taken away from the soldier if he or she does not continue to maintain the highest military standards.

The 500th Tomb Guard Identification Badge was awarded in early 2002, and the total number of recipients is now about 525. The award is, as its name states, a badge worn on the pocket of a uniform jacket, not a pin worn in the lapel.

Although the claim that guards "cannot swear in public for the rest of their lives" is fallacious, there is some truth to the notion that the Tomb Guard Identification Badge can be taken away, even after the recipient has left the service. According to Old Guard Public Affairs:

The Tomb Guard Identification Badge is one of the least awarded badges in the Army, second only to the Astronaut Badge. Since the sentinels are held to such a high standard, if they ever do anything that is deemed behavior unbecoming a Tomb Guard or brings dishonor upon the Tomb, their badges may be revoked, even after [the sentinels] have left active duty military service.

As of early 2002, there had been nine revocations of the Tomb Guard Identification Badge.
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A Tomb guard's behavior is not so stringently regulated that he is prohibited from speaking to anyone for a full six months (someone seems to have confused the Old Guard with a monastery!), and guards may do whatever they want (including watching TV) during their off-duty hours. But since any soldier wishing to become a sentinel must undergo rigorous training, including several hours a day of marching, rifle drill and uniform preparation, and every tomb sentinel is expected to be completely versed in the history of both the tomb and of Arlington National Cemetery (including knowing how to find the graves of all the prominent person buried in the cemetery), they don't necessarily have a lot of free time to devote to recreational activities.

Among the notables are: President Taft, Joe E. Lewis (the boxer), and Medal of Honor winner Audie Murphy (the most decorated soldier of WWII) of Hollywood fame.

Joe Louis (aka "The Brown Bomber"), Heavyweight Champion of the World between 1937 and 1949, is the boxer interred at Arlington National Cemetery. (Joe E. Lewis, the comedian, is buried in New Jersey.) Although Joe Louis served in the Army during World War II he did not meet the technical requirements for burial at Arlington, but he is interred there because President Reagan waived the requirements when Louis died in 1981.

We close here with a bit of trivia suggested by the above item:

Although serving as President of the United States qualifies one to be buried at Arlington National Cemetery, only two former Presidents are interred there — William Howard Taft and John F. Kennedy
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