Threats to American Security

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Hello, this is my first post here. So I want it to be a good one.


I find that we currently have four different enemies that could threaten America's security at any moment.

1) People's Republic of China
2) Europe
3) Marxist/Liberal Americans
4) Islamic Terrorism


The reason why I find China a threat is simple. They want to be the next super power. They wish to fell the roll of the Soviet Union. And they are close to doing it. They've re-built their military in the last ten years. Threatend to use nuclear weapons against the USA if they defend Tiawan. And they are currently hurting the USA in it's economic sector. They are trying to buy anything and everything in the USA. Oil Companies, Eletronic Companies, and even our national ports. They've held joint military training programs with the Russians and the French. So that right there should tell you who your allies are.

Europe, is the next danger to the USA. Why, because the old world is going back to it's old ways. Europe is thinking with it's "We're better than everone else ideals." The UN is a prime example of that. The UN is my opinion is just or actually worse than the League of Nations. The League of Nations did nothing, but the United Nations just makes thing worse. With their current efforts to erode American sovereignty. Such as it's Small Arms treaty, which would dissolve the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America. I say get the US out of the UN and get the UN out of the US.

The liberal sector of America are destroying America. They degrade our vaules, dishonor our troops, reveal national security issue to the enemy, and aid our enemies. They try to destroy our rights to free speech and our right to freedom of choice. And they would galdy give our sovereignty to the UN. THEY HATE GUNS!

Islamic Terrorism, why, because they are islamic terrorist. Just like why Communism, Socialism, and Facism is wrong. IT'S EVIL!

So that's my rant.
 
Just a brief reply to clarify things:

1) Why claim Europe is an enemy and then go on about the UN, believe it or not the Europe is all about European countries and the UN is comprised of every recognised country on earth which is slightly beyond Europe.

2) What is it with the Fascist/Right that assumes the the left is Marxist?
As you can see slotting emotive words into a statement doesnt make it correct ie the Right is about as Fascist as the Left is Marxist it is very difficult to take an argument seriously when these words are used.

3) The problem in refering to everything in absolutes is that it removes the flexibility in your argument which in turn make them easy targets to devolve into flame fests, for example "rant" seems to be pretty much along the lines that everything that is not right wing america is wrong.
 
I have a slanted view on the left because I have a perosnal reason not to trust them. One word, CUBA. My family and I have suffered by living in a communist country. I have seen what liberalism and marxism does for the betterment of society. Let's see, two dead uncles, one dead grandfather, my cousin is in a politcal prison for stealing food. And yes, this might seem funny. But when I was a child (7-8 years old), a cow was struck by lighting. I remember rusing to the cow with my father to help him get some meat. And what happened. The Local People's Militia came and poured gasoline all over the cow and lit it on fire. This was in Holguin, which in on the eastern part of the island. I'll never forget that nor the secert police rounding up those that spoke against the Castro regiem. The left is far worse than the right in AMerica. This is becuase the so-called "right" is that of normal vaules. Two elections have passed and George W Bush is still President. So that means that the majority is on the right side. Liberalism is a social diease just like rape and crime. It should be cured with a swift kick in the ass.
 
5.56X45mm said:
I have a slanted view on the left because I have a perosnal reason not to trust them. One word, CUBA. My family and I have suffered by living in a communist country. I have seen what liberalism and marxism does for the betterment of society. Let's see, two dead uncles, one dead grandfather, my cousin is in a politcal prison for stealing food. And yes, this might seem funny. But when I was a child (7-8 years old), a cow was struck by lighting. I remember rusing to the cow with my father to help him get some meat. And what happened. The Local People's Militia came and poured gasoline all over the cow and lit it on fire. This was in Holguin, which in on the eastern part of the island. I'll never forget that nor the secert police rounding up those that spoke against the Castro regiem.

I think you would be hard pushed to equate Castro's government to liberalism in any way shape or form, which is why I said earlier that liberalism is as much to communism as fascism is to the right.

Both communism and fascism are ideologies where as the left and right are just opposite ends of the same political spectrum ie you can have left or right leaning democracies but you cant have fascist or communist democracies.

The left is far worse than the right in AMerica. This is becuase the so-called "right" is that of normal vaules. Two elections have passed and George W Bush is still President. So that means that the majority is on the right side. Liberalism is a social diease just like rape and crime. It should be cured with a swift kick in the ass.

See thats the bit that intrigues me I tend to think of myself as a centre right kind of guy but I also believe governments must have social conscience, the vast majority of my US friends tend to be right leaning while the wifes friends are left leaning and believe it or not both sides tend to make sense until you hit the extremes.
As for GWB well I will decline to comment on his election as that tends to get me in trouble around here but personally I wish John McCain had won the republican nomination 6 years ago and I definitely wont comment on the theory that Liberals are in the same catagory as rapists as thats just plain silly.
 
5.56X45mm said:
The left is far worse than the right in AMerica. This is becuase the so-called "right" is that of normal vaules. Two elections have passed and George W Bush is still President. So that means that the majority is on the right side. Liberalism is a social diease just like rape and crime.

Wow, that's not a propogandist statement suffering from revisionist history or anything.
 
What non-Americans who judge the inner workings of our politics do not and cannot understand is that the left leaning party has morphed into something Chairman Mao would be proud of.

Chewie, WhisperingDeath, and Monty B, you cannot judge for yourselves what the Cuban people have been through since 1959 unless you have been there which I highly doubt. I'm so glad to see that lefties can praise the party of Castro to this guy who has lived through it. I'm wondering if you could look him in the eye and do the same. No, flaming from a safe distance is a lot more fun. Catch an inner tube raft across to the Keys first, then talk about the hidden wonders of Communism.
 
Personally, I'm against extremists of either side. Too far right is just as bad as too far left. Both exclude any thought for consideration of other people. The best course is one that charts as close to the center line as possible with the flexibility to swing either to the right or to the left depending on the circumstances involved. Rigidity is a formula for failure. Only flexibility can adapt.
 
THe American left is becoming something that Stalin would of been proud of. And John McCain has become something of a two headed snake. Yes, he's Republican. But he sides with the Democrats most of the time. I would not want him to become President of the United States of America. He's gone from being a American War Hero to a "Girly Man". I respect him for his service, but I don't like him.

It's quite strange and funny. During the Clinton years. I didn't see many different minorities or those of the opposite sex on his cabinet. But he claimed to be the President for the little guy. GW has people of every race, color, sex and creed. Hispanic, Black, Asian, and Female. Also, speaking about re-writing history. America's Democratic party was for slavery. They were the party of the Confedrate States during our civil war. And they continue to insult our troops and claim that our we have no allies overseas. But when I was overseas. I worked with Troops from Poland, Australia, Canada. and England. And I know in Iraq. There are something like thirty different countries that have soldiers fighting along side our own.

And Liberialism, Scoialism, Marxism, and Communism all have something in common. One leads to another.
 
Missileer said:
Chewie, WhisperingDeath, and Monty B, you cannot judge for yourselves what the Cuban people have been through since 1959 unless you have been there


where did i do any judging? i merely take issue with the sweeping generalisation that if you are a "liberal" (god i hate that word) then you must agree with mao/stalin/castro.
 
chewie_nz said:
Missileer said:
Chewie, WhisperingDeath, and Monty B, you cannot judge for yourselves what the Cuban people have been through since 1959 unless you have been there


where did i do any judging? i merely take issue with the sweeping generalisation that if you are a "liberal" (god i hate that word) then you must agree with mao/stalin/castro.

Yeah, I second that. Just because Mao is wrong doesn't mean Christian-Fascism isn't wrong too. I never even said anything about Cuba. Besides, I'm not even a 'liberal' I'm quite centrist.
 
chewie_nz said:
Missileer said:
Chewie, WhisperingDeath, and Monty B, you cannot judge for yourselves what the Cuban people have been through since 1959 unless you have been there


where did i do any judging? i merely take issue with the sweeping generalisation that if you are a "liberal" (god i hate that word) then you must agree with mao/stalin/castro.

Yeah, I second that. Just because Mao is wrong doesn't mean Christian-Fascism isn't wrong too. I never even said anything about Cuba and I'm not a liberal.

People on the political extremes rabidly hold onto a few values of a society and discount others. For example people ont he far right cling to a number of herritige values shrouding them in the Christian religion while discounting the freedom, liberty, and equality values that Americans have traditionally held. The far left does essentially the exact oposite holding a number of other values strongly while discounting a number of others.

Extremism is usually propogated through fear of the oposite extreme.
 
I don't think Europe is a direct threat per say.

But I believe Marxist/Liberal Americans are definately a threat, in the long term.

The problem with them is they want to make us like Liberal Europe.

Europe as we know it will not last 50 years, maybe 100 years tops. They will fall to either Islamic assimilation, or armed invasion by a future Islamic Caliphate, (unless they do something about it now, but might be too late ). If the liberals have their way America will go the same way.

The problem with these liberal morons is they are trying to emphatize with a society they absolutely do not understand (although they like to think they do), and is virtually and absolutely at odds with everything they believe in.
 
Yeah, to go back on topic I agree that if the 'soft' leftist tradition of hate-america and anti-millitary action continues to take hold on the American populace then we are in for a world of hurt.

Look at it this way, we've only lost 1,850 men in the war with Iraq and only 38% of the American public thinks we're doing well. If we can be so easily defeated by an enemy with rusty AK-47s and IMPROVISED explosive devices, imagine an enemy with REAL explosive devices and top of the line weaponry.

This is the danger of becomming so soft and the people propogating the softening of America is the left I agree.
 
That is why the American left is a threat. I'm not a Chirstian freak. One, I'm Catholic. Two, I haven't been to church in quite awhile. The left's views one appessment is something that can destory this country (ie the USA). And the Socialist left in Europe is helping that happen. Even though the UN is not 100% European. The major powers of the UN are. Europe wants to lift the arms embrago on the PRC. They have business ties with Castro. And gladius is right. Europe wont last for another 50 years if the Islamic Nations build up a military power.
 
The harder target has become America so the Jihadists will be looking for a more tempting target in Europe. As long as people like PM Blair are running the UK, there will be very few sleeper cells move into their cities, so soon they will need a soft European stronghold to have more access to the West.
 
Missileer said:
Chewie, WhisperingDeath, and Monty B, you cannot judge for yourselves what the Cuban people have been through since 1959 unless you have been there which I highly doubt. I'm so glad to see that lefties can praise the party of Castro to this guy who has lived through it. I'm wondering if you could look him in the eye and do the same. No, flaming from a safe distance is a lot more fun. Catch an inner tube raft across to the Keys first, then talk about the hidden wonders of Communism.

Who was judging Cuba?
All I said was:
I think you would be hard pushed to equate Castro's government to liberalism in any way shape or form

I really do believe people should actually take the time to read and comprehend posts before replying as it will save a butt load of bandwidth.

Charge 7 said:
Personally, I'm against extremists of either side. Too far right is just as bad as too far left. Both exclude any thought for consideration of other people. The best course is one that charts as close to the center line as possible with the flexibility to swing either to the right or to the left depending on the circumstances involved. Rigidity is a formula for failure. Only flexibility can adapt.

Ok this agreeing thing needs to stop, its ruining a perfectly good relationship.
:)

5.56X45mm said:
And Liberialism, Scoialism, Marxism, and Communism all have something in common. One leads to another."

Like hell they do...
Liberalism and socialism do tend to go hand in hand however Marxism and Communism are ideologies the two are completely separate from the first two.
For example New Zealand is a probably considered a liberal socialist country but we are far from being Marxist or Communist we are one of the worlds more solid democracies and will remain so solely because we dont have the rabid fear of others idea's.

And John McCain has become something of a two headed snake. Yes, he's Republican. But he sides with the Democrats most of the time. I would not want him to become President of the United States of America. He's gone from being a American War Hero to a "Girly Man". I respect him for his service, but I don't like him.

You know the one thing that really annoys me about our government, New Zealand has essentially a two party system National (centre right) and Labour (centre left) and between both of those parties there are some awesome thinkers and some excellent policies but because they are on opposite sides of the fence you always only get to see half the answer to most problems.

As for John McCain have you ever met the guy to find out what he has to say?
He is a really interesting guy who actually looks at problems and tries to solve them and in general he doesnt care which side has the answer as long as it is the right answer (He is a friend of the wifes family we have run into each other a couple of times).
As for the theory that he has gone from "War Hero to a "Girly Man" I think that says more about your attitude and knowledge than his achievements.
 
MontyB said:
Charge 7 said:
Personally, I'm against extremists of either side. Too far right is just as bad as too far left. Both exclude any thought for consideration of other people. The best course is one that charts as close to the center line as possible with the flexibility to swing either to the right or to the left depending on the circumstances involved. Rigidity is a formula for failure. Only flexibility can adapt.

Ok this agreeing thing needs to stop, its ruining a perfectly good relationship.
:)

As I've stated before, if you can get MontyB and me to agree on something, it's probably the truth. ;)
 
The History of the Conservative movement has to always blame someone else for societies ills. Whether it be Hitler blaming the Jews for losing WWI or right-wing Republicans blaming Liberals for todays ills as we see in other people's posts passing the blame is the only strategy that seems to work.

What I would like for someone for me to explain is how can the present problems in America (Iraq, Terrorism, poor economy, poor Foreign policy even worse Domestic One) be possibly blamed on liberals when Conservatives have controlled all the branches of Government plus the media for the past 4 years. Yes I said the conservative media, you cannot call the media liberal when its mostly controlled by groups like News Corp, Clearwater, and Sinclair.
 
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