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|August 10th, 2005||#81|
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And we can re-argue Iraq on every thread on this board, on the info we had (which turned out to be false) we had no choice to "liberate" Iraq. If we had known what we know now that decisigon to invade Iraq was dead wrong. Also i'm hearing that the Bush adminstration tried to fix the evidence, and if this turns out to be proved with hard evidence he needs to be impeached asap.
|August 10th, 2005||#82|
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#2. Do you really believe that the communist regimes in the USSR or China at any point in history enjoyed the support of the people? What on earth makes you believe so?
"Freedom is the sure possession of those alone who have the courage to defend it".
|August 10th, 2005||#83|
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I think thats part of the problem. We must be doing something that pisses everybody off at us. It is simply impossible to have so many enemies around the world for no reason other than 'envy'. I think US Foreign policy is to blame. If treated the world a tiny bit better we might not need such a huge military. As (I believe) Ike said "every tank built, ship launched, aircraft flown, leaves a hungry person unfed, a naked man unclothed".
As for Iraq. I am not a pacifist. But I have an acute nose for BS. I smelled a rat from the very beginning. Bush talk about mushroom clouds was drivel, because I knew that even if Saddam had the bomb (highly unlikely), he had no way of deploying it against us.
The only good thing I can say about Bush is that he'll keep late night comedy going for 3 more years...
I am certain the evidence was doctored (Downing Street Memo) and I am also certain the the NEOCONS in Congress, even with a videotaped confession, would never impeach Bush. Its very depressing...
|August 10th, 2005||#84|
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Moreover, we explicitly balanced the group to be surveyed with approximately equal numbers of experts on the left and the right. --this was from that article.
Even with a 50% margin of error(as you would like to think so) if those people completed the survey, given the equal demographics being surveyed, any statistician will tell you that those number would still be around the same, give or take a few percentage points. Reagan would still not wind up on the bottom so you are still full of biased baloney.
That fact that you refused to listen when it doesn't agree with you proves how biased and how much of a joke you are.
Besides these people are profesors of law, political science, & history which makes their oppinnion more valid than yours.
And here your are you are trying to say yuor oppinnion is better than theirs. Hahahahahaha, sure it is.
You already showed you are unwilling to listen to what most of the top historians have to say.
Secondly you blame Reagan for everything bad, and make all kinds of excuses for Carter, you are indeed a joke and show your absolute bias.
Everything so far you have said here is from a perspective blinded by left wing fantasy and ideaology. You have no capacity to see things on an equal and historical perspective.
And one omre thing I doubt historians will judge G W Bush as bad a president as you say, which again shows your total bias.
|August 10th, 2005||#85|
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Your Post said 'unbias scholors'. But what you really meant was was Right Wing Scholors. Which is exactly what the Federalist Society is. Next time please be clear. That way, Ill be sure to use a fully Bias source next time like you did. Maybe Michael Moore...
Here the problem with your source. The survey claimed ONLY HALF THE PEOPLE RESPONDED. How do you know that Half that didnt werent all the liberals? Thats called Margin of Error. Yours was 50%. That means a 50% change your data was wrong. To be considered valid it should be 5-6%. Like I said its a useless survey.
There isnt a history teacher in the world that would accept an arguement using a single source, and a bias one at that. If your going to use bias sources then be sure to use the polar opposite as well.
The differences between my sources and yours is I brought 4 of them
from severals political spectrums. You brought 1 from 1 political view.
The rest of the rant was a bore. I take something I sad earlier back. Of course I'm bias, so are you. So is everyone in the whole world. Everyone has a bias, and anyone who says different is a liar. Is that the best you can do? Call me bias? I'm yawning. Shame you burned all those calories just to state the obvious.
The fact you went from good discussion to cheapshots (trying to shut me up because I dont agree with you) tells me you dont have enough faith in your opinion to win the arguement. Cant't win? Get Mad!
Thats Right, You just folded your cards my friend. The discussion is now over, I win.
I on the other hand, am smart enough not to sink to your level. Sorry, but you wont get the pleasure of a flamewar out of me.
The discussion was interesting while it lasted, I give you kudos for trying
But you lost.
Very Respectfully Yours
|August 10th, 2005||#87|
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hahaha. You are wrong again.
Even those historians agree it to soon to tell, give it a few years they might change their mind given the big picture.
You believe it when it agrees with you, but when it doesn't you don't. And you say you are not totally biased, whatever.
You are only saying that because you have been proved clearly wrong!
Here what that survey said:
To the extent that there were any systematic differences, in our survey historians slightly favored Democrats and law professors slightly favored Republicans. Our panels of historians and political scientists were perhaps less explicitly politically balanced than our law professor panel (which was split 12/11 between those believed to lean to the right and to the left). Thus, the panels of historians and politics scholars might have been a bit more liberal than the law professor panel or the general public.
Even one professor in the survey who is clearly left and does not like Reagan, is at least unbiased enough to give him credit for the USSR.
Joel Goldstein explained why he listed Reagan as overrated: “[D]espite Reagan’s successes vis a vis the Soviet Union, other aspects of his foreign policy were disasters (e.g., Iran-Contra, Lebanon) and his economic policies produced recession and huge deficits.” One historian argued, “Reagan’s champions have been too quick to credit him with ending the Cold War, and have brushed past a range of failures from civil rights to the environment to Iran-Contra.”
So much for your saying that this is a completely right wing survey.
That fact that you even say that Fox News is extreme right prove you are totally biased.
Fox is center, or right/center at the most. Believe there are extereme right outlets if you want them.
The fact that Fox has broken the liberal stranglehold on the media has you foaming at the mouth doesn't it.
And you will never get that back, and I'm laughing and I'm dancing. So have a nice day.
|August 11th, 2005||#88|
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You would have been far better off showing the poll as an "informal", "unscientific" poll than challenging his statements on this one.
We are more often treacherous through weakness than through calculation. ~Francois De La Rochefoucauld
|August 11th, 2005||#90|
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Good one, I missed it. well said...
My last post was too arrogent, I apologize for it. Although my point (and link) remain valid.
The moderator is correct, this is suppose to be a friendly discussion and its getting alittle too heated. Besides I have stated my case enough and think I have provided evidence enough to proove it. Whether certain individuals choose to accept it is their business.
One last point
Everyone in politics is bias. thats part of the game. There is no such thing as an unbias politician or political view. The trick is to remain balanced, I do read conservative articles, I mainly disagree with them (although occasional a valid point is raised). Thats why I was able to predict your counter-arguements, because I have heard them before.
You do yourself a desservice by blindly accepting one political view without even listening to the other. This isnt football. You dont have to cheer for just one team. Despite our differences we are still all American.
Something to keep in mind...