Right now New Zealand has a Liberial Socialist Government. But at one point in time it will lead to a marxist/communist government. I've already lived in one hell hole of a communist country. And I don't want to see that happen to the USA. And wow, you listed three news companys. How about ABC, NBC, and CBS. Oh, don't forget CNN, MSNBC, CNBC, Headline News, and PBS. And as for the economy. A economic recession doesn't happen over night. THe Clinton era caused it. With the rise and fall of the internet market. That was during Clinton. And also 9/11 was part of futher causing a economic recession. But last time I checked, the US un-enployement rate is getting smaller. Right now the un-emploement rate is at 5%. That's because there are those that don't want a job. 5% is a hell of alot lower than some other places last time I checked. Those of you in Europe should check out your nation's work force. Everywhere I go, I see places with signs that say. "Now Hiring", "Looking for Help", and "Help Wanted". There's jobs out there. People just have to get f their fat @$$ and look for a job.

WOW! The Republican party has controlled the government for the past four years in a row. OH MY GOD! If that was the case, I wouldn't be talking about the problems that we face today. Remember, the federial government is not the only part of the American government. There are the State and City governments. And last time I checked, Washinton DC, New York City, and Chicago are liberialy controlled. They restrict civilians from owning firearms, their crime rate is sky high, their youth are morons, and they always say that we should appeasse and speak with the terrorist. TOO HELL WITH THAT!

Originally Posted by mmarsh

The History of the Conservative movement has to always blame someone else for societies ills. Whether it be Hitler blaming the Jews for losing WWI or right-wing Republicans blaming Liberals for todays ills as we see in other people's posts passing the blame is the only strategy that seems to work.

What I would like for someone for me to explain is how can the present problems in America (Iraq, Terrorism, poor economy, poor Foreign policy even worse Domestic One) be possibly blamed on liberals when Conservatives have controlled all the branches of Government plus the media for the past 4 years. Yes I said the conservative media, you cannot call the media liberal when its mostly controlled by groups like News Corp, Clearwater, and Sinclair.

The only conservative news outlet is talk radio and maybe Fox News and it tends to more centrist. I don't blame all bad problems on liberals, they are the bad problems. You can bring Hitler up all you want but he's gone. The Communist doctrine is alive and well in China, Russia, North Korea, VietNam. I could go on and on but in all I mentioned, liberalism hasn't and will never work. At least, in the US, we have food, basic Human Rights and what the whole world wants deep down, Freedom. Freedom that we won and didn't have handed to us which makes it even more precious.

Fox News is centralist are you kidding me? I used to be Republican myself (before the party went extreme right) so let me tell you something there is nothing centralist about FOX. Its nothing more then a mouthspiece for the Extreme Right. Even most republicans politicans admit that. Some of them such as McCain and Hagel have expressed disgust at FOX. Same goes for Clearwater and Sinclair. Remember how Sinclair blocked Brokows reading of the Iraq KIA, where was the free speech there?

I agree there are problems, but you failed to answer my prinicipal challenge which was how these problems the fault of the liberals. Most of these problems (not all) came with the Bush Administration, and worst of all these guys cannot even admit the slightest mistake. I find it infuriating that our soldiers die for the incompentence, stupidity, greed, deceitfulness, and sheer arrogence of this administration. And to think these same people persecuted Clinton for a feliatio. Simply Unbelievable.

Liberalism has never worked? Our greatest presidents were almost all liberals. Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, Lincoln, Both Roosevelts, Eisenhower and despite his personal failings Clinton. Meanwhile our Worst presidents were almost all conservatives. Jackson, Buchanan, Harding, Hoover, Coolige, Reagan. Thats not to say there havent been stinker Liberals (LBJ or Carter) or good conservatives (Nixon, before he tried to take over the government).

No insult intended, but you need to review the definitions of both Communism and Liberalism, one preaches democracy the other totalitarianism. Your also wrong about Communism. The Communist Doctrine is alive in only one country China. And due to their booming economy I doubt it will be there for long. Russia is a semi-democracy drifting into totalarianism, Vietnam is Socialist. North Korea and Cuba claim to be communist but are in fact Dictatorships. Facism is more alive than Communism.

I work abroad in Europe for a US company (France). Let me tell you I have more civil liberties in Europe then I do back home. Do you really think its FREEDOM for Bush-Goons to make me sign an GOP-alligence form just to hear our President speak? Thats what the GOP did in NYC. Or to push peaceful protesters back 10-20 blocks from where the President is. Or to try and prevent oppossion radio from Broadcasting (NPR, Air America). Is that your idea of Freedom?

Because if it so, then Hitler is not so gone as you might believe.

So have you looked into the renouncing of your US citizenship? Might be plan for ya. Especially if you think POTUS is Hitler like.

Originally Posted by mmarsh

Liberalism has never worked? Our greatest presidents were almost all liberals. Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, Lincoln, Both Roosevelts, Eisenhower and despite his personal failings Clinton. Meanwhile our Worst presidents were almost all conservatives. Jackson, Buchanan, Harding, Hoover, Coolige, Reagan. Thats not to say there havent been stinker Liberals (LBJ or Carter) or good conservatives (Nixon, before he tried to take over the government).

Reagan one of the worst Presidents? Hahaha, no wonder your views are so off the deep end. You can't even get past your bias to make any accurate statements.

And those Presidents who are Liberal that you mention from the past they are the equivalent of what most conservatives stand for today. Todays liberals have morphed into someting totaly different from those presidents you are talking about, Carter(one of the worst presidents ever) is more like todays ideal liberal.

Besides the only reason you don't think Fox News is centrist is because it doesn't agree with your liberal nonesense. In fact anyone who doesn't agree with liberals are labeled extreme-right or even Nazis, gimme a break who are you trying to fool.

Fox was the first news broadcast that broke away from the left-leaning media, and all you liberal are foaming at the mouth over them so you call them all kinds of stuff. If you want extreme right there are other outlets. Fox News is centrist, if anything they are rigth/centrist they are not even close to being extreme right.

Originally Posted by mmarsh

I find it infuriating that our soldiers die for the incompentence, stupidity, greed, deceitfulness, and sheer arrogence of this administration. And to think these same people persecuted Clinton for a feliatio. Simply Unbelievable.

If I'm not mistaken, those are the French colors you're showing. When I served in the Army, my CIC was President Kennedy and later President Johnson. While our politics differed, I would never, never have spoken of them using such vitriolic language. I think you have found the right country to work in and leave all us incompetent, stupid, greedy, deceitful, arrogant Americans to suffer here. We'll continue to fight and die for you just as in the past. While you enjoy your wine and French cooking OUR kids will be dying for you face down in the dirt.

Originally Posted by mmarsh

Fox News is centralist are you kidding me? I used to be Republican myself (before the party went extreme right) so let me tell you something there is nothing centralist about FOX. Its nothing more then a mouthspiece for the Extreme Right. Even most republicans politicans admit that. Some of them such as McCain and Hagel have expressed disgust at FOX. Same goes for Clearwater and Sinclair. Remember how Sinclair blocked Brokows reading of the Iraq KIA, where was the free speech there?

I agree there are problems, but you failed to answer my prinicipal challenge which was how these problems the fault of the liberals. Most of these problems (not all) came with the Bush Administration, and worst of all these guys cannot even admit the slightest mistake. I find it infuriating that our soldiers die for the incompentence, stupidity, greed, deceitfulness, and sheer arrogence of this administration. And to think these same people persecuted Clinton for a feliatio. Simply Unbelievable.

Liberalism has never worked? Our greatest presidents were almost all liberals. Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, Lincoln, Both Roosevelts, Eisenhower and despite his personal failings Clinton. Meanwhile our Worst presidents were almost all conservatives. Jackson, Buchanan, Harding, Hoover, Coolige, Reagan. Thats not to say there havent been stinker Liberals (LBJ or Carter) or good conservatives (Nixon, before he tried to take over the government).

No insult intended, but you need to review the definitions of both Communism and Liberalism, one preaches democracy the other totalitarianism. Your also wrong about Communism. The Communist Doctrine is alive in only one country China. And due to their booming economy I doubt it will be there for long. Russia is a semi-democracy drifting into totalarianism, Vietnam is Socialist. North Korea and Cuba claim to be communist but are in fact Dictatorships. Facism is more alive than Communism.

I work abroad in Europe for a US company (France). Let me tell you I have more civil liberties in Europe then I do back home. Do you really think its FREEDOM for Bush-Goons to make me sign an GOP-alligence form just to hear our President speak? Thats what the GOP did in NYC. Or to push peaceful protesters back 10-20 blocks from where the President is. Or to try and prevent oppossion radio from Broadcasting (NPR, Air America). Is that your idea of Freedom?

Because if it so, then Hitler is not so gone as you might believe.

You talk about the reading of the KIA list from Iraq. I find that down right evil. These liberial talking heads say that they're for supporting our soldiers. And then they get on TV and make our guys look like scumbags and criminals. HELL NO! What Brokov did is in my opinion treason. It's aiding and helping the enemy. By broadcasting that and every other lie. They give recuiting power to the enemy. It lets the like of Usama bin Laden recuit young childern and brainwash them to become MURDER BOMBERS. Not Sucide bombers, but murder bombers. Why, because they plan to kill innocent civilians. Not kill themselves. Stay in France, becuase I sure wouldn't welcome you back in the USA.

5.56X45mm
Soldier, Patriot, and Cuban-American!

PS - Communism is alive and well in South America, Africa, Aisa, and Russia.

North Korea and Cuba claim to be communist but are in fact Dictatorships. Fascism is more alive than Communism.

What did you drink, mate?

Countries are not what you label them, I'm sorry. Countries are what they are: NK, Cuba, PRC , Viet Nam, Belarus are hardcore dictatorships precisely because they are Communist. It's not "they are not communist, they are just dictatorships". They are huge jails for innocent people who deserve freedom. Those countries are just what remains of the Empire of Evil, the one that one of the best Presidents ever contributed to defeat, to your own dismay and disappointment, I guess.

I work abroad in Europe for a US company (France). Let me tell you I have more civil liberties in Europe then I do back home.

Do you really think someone is gonna buy this? There is nothing, if you except drinking age and smoke, where my country, or France, is freer than the US. We're even less democratic than they are. You should know that France is not loved by other European countries, apart from Belgium maybe, and we have plenty of reasons I tell ya. You picked the one wrong example.

Originally Posted by 5.56X45mm

Right now New Zealand has a Liberial Socialist Government. But at one point in time it will lead to a marxist/communist government.

well i'll be sure to let you know when that happens lol!
NZ has made the most progress under leftist labour governments, many of the things that have made my life what it is today are a direct result of "socialist" policies.


state funded housing for low income families,
free healthcare
free schools (up to university level)

considering that we were more socialist in the 1930's....and here we are...still a thriving democracy. what i put this down to is that we are, by and large, a happy content nation.

Originally Posted by 03USMC

So have you looked into the renouncing of your US citizenship? Might be plan for ya. Especially if you think POTUS is Hitler like.

I have to be honest here and say that this post along with Missileer's theories and 5.56X45mm's sentiments interest me because I think you have completely lost sight of what freedom is all about, the sentiments exhibited here seem to be that freedom is the right to agree with what is happening or SOD off.
However I think you will find that those sentiments are more in line with dictatorships than free nations (and to clarify for the overly sensitive I am not accusing the US of being a dictatorship).

Originally Posted by mmarsh

No insult intended, but you need to review the definitions of both Communism and Liberalism, one preaches democracy the other totalitarianism. Your also wrong about Communism. The Communist Doctrine is alive in only one country China. And due to their booming economy I doubt it will be there for long. Russia is a semi-democracy drifting into totalarianism, Vietnam is Socialist. North Korea and Cuba claim to be communist but are in fact Dictatorships. Facism is more alive than Communism.

Personally I think this is one of the most accurate posts made in this thread.