Originally Posted by Missileer

Chewie, WhisperingDeath, and Monty B, you cannot judge for yourselves what the Cuban people have been through since 1959 unless you have been there

where did i do any judging? i merely take issue with the sweeping generalisation that if you are a "liberal" (god i hate that word) then you must agree with mao/stalin/castro.

Originally Posted by chewie_nz

where did i do any judging? i merely take issue with the sweeping generalisation that if you are a "liberal" (god i hate that word) then you must agree with mao/stalin/castro.

Yeah, I second that. Just because Mao is wrong doesn't mean Christian-Fascism isn't wrong too. I never even said anything about Cuba. Besides, I'm not even a 'liberal' I'm quite centrist.

Originally Posted by chewie_nz

where did i do any judging? i merely take issue with the sweeping generalisation that if you are a "liberal" (god i hate that word) then you must agree with mao/stalin/castro.

Yeah, I second that. Just because Mao is wrong doesn't mean Christian-Fascism isn't wrong too. I never even said anything about Cuba and I'm not a liberal.

People on the political extremes rabidly hold onto a few values of a society and discount others. For example people ont he far right cling to a number of herritige values shrouding them in the Christian religion while discounting the freedom, liberty, and equality values that Americans have traditionally held. The far left does essentially the exact oposite holding a number of other values strongly while discounting a number of others.

Extremism is usually propogated through fear of the oposite extreme.

I don't think Europe is a direct threat per say.

But I believe Marxist/Liberal Americans are definately a threat, in the long term.

The problem with them is they want to make us like Liberal Europe.

Europe as we know it will not last 50 years, maybe 100 years tops. They will fall to either Islamic assimilation, or armed invasion by a future Islamic Caliphate, (unless they do something about it now, but might be too late ). If the liberals have their way America will go the same way.

The problem with these liberal morons is they are trying to emphatize with a society they absolutely do not understand (although they like to think they do), and is virtually and absolutely at odds with everything they believe in.

Yeah, to go back on topic I agree that if the 'soft' leftist tradition of hate-america and anti-millitary action continues to take hold on the American populace then we are in for a world of hurt.

Look at it this way, we've only lost 1,850 men in the war with Iraq and only 38% of the American public thinks we're doing well. If we can be so easily defeated by an enemy with rusty AK-47s and IMPROVISED explosive devices, imagine an enemy with REAL explosive devices and top of the line weaponry.

This is the danger of becomming so soft and the people propogating the softening of America is the left I agree.

That is why the American left is a threat. I'm not a Chirstian freak. One, I'm Catholic. Two, I haven't been to church in quite awhile. The left's views one appessment is something that can destory this country (ie the USA). And the Socialist left in Europe is helping that happen. Even though the UN is not 100% European. The major powers of the UN are. Europe wants to lift the arms embrago on the PRC. They have business ties with Castro. And gladius is right. Europe wont last for another 50 years if the Islamic Nations build up a military power.

The harder target has become America so the Jihadists will be looking for a more tempting target in Europe. As long as people like PM Blair are running the UK, there will be very few sleeper cells move into their cities, so soon they will need a soft European stronghold to have more access to the West.

Originally Posted by Missileer

Chewie, WhisperingDeath, and Monty B, you cannot judge for yourselves what the Cuban people have been through since 1959 unless you have been there which I highly doubt. I'm so glad to see that lefties can praise the party of Castro to this guy who has lived through it. I'm wondering if you could look him in the eye and do the same. No, flaming from a safe distance is a lot more fun. Catch an inner tube raft across to the Keys first, then talk about the hidden wonders of Communism.

Who was judging Cuba?
All I said was:

I think you would be hard pushed to equate Castro's government to liberalism in any way shape or form

I really do believe people should actually take the time to read and comprehend posts before replying as it will save a butt load of bandwidth.

Originally Posted by Charge 7

Personally, I'm against extremists of either side. Too far right is just as bad as too far left. Both exclude any thought for consideration of other people. The best course is one that charts as close to the center line as possible with the flexibility to swing either to the right or to the left depending on the circumstances involved. Rigidity is a formula for failure. Only flexibility can adapt.

Ok this agreeing thing needs to stop, its ruining a perfectly good relationship.

Originally Posted by 5.56X45mm

And Liberialism, Scoialism, Marxism, and Communism all have something in common. One leads to another."

Like hell they do...
Liberalism and socialism do tend to go hand in hand however Marxism and Communism are ideologies the two are completely separate from the first two.
For example New Zealand is a probably considered a liberal socialist country but we are far from being Marxist or Communist we are one of the worlds more solid democracies and will remain so solely because we dont have the rabid fear of others idea's.

And John McCain has become something of a two headed snake. Yes, he's Republican. But he sides with the Democrats most of the time. I would not want him to become President of the United States of America. He's gone from being a American War Hero to a "Girly Man". I respect him for his service, but I don't like him.

You know the one thing that really annoys me about our government, New Zealand has essentially a two party system National (centre right) and Labour (centre left) and between both of those parties there are some awesome thinkers and some excellent policies but because they are on opposite sides of the fence you always only get to see half the answer to most problems.

As for John McCain have you ever met the guy to find out what he has to say?
He is a really interesting guy who actually looks at problems and tries to solve them and in general he doesnt care which side has the answer as long as it is the right answer (He is a friend of the wifes family we have run into each other a couple of times).
As for the theory that he has gone from "War Hero to a "Girly Man" I think that says more about your attitude and knowledge than his achievements.

Originally Posted by MontyB

Ok this agreeing thing needs to stop, its ruining a perfectly good relationship.

As I've stated before, if you can get MontyB and me to agree on something, it's probably the truth.

The History of the Conservative movement has to always blame someone else for societies ills. Whether it be Hitler blaming the Jews for losing WWI or right-wing Republicans blaming Liberals for todays ills as we see in other people's posts passing the blame is the only strategy that seems to work.

What I would like for someone for me to explain is how can the present problems in America (Iraq, Terrorism, poor economy, poor Foreign policy even worse Domestic One) be possibly blamed on liberals when Conservatives have controlled all the branches of Government plus the media for the past 4 years. Yes I said the conservative media, you cannot call the media liberal when its mostly controlled by groups like News Corp, Clearwater, and Sinclair.