i am opposed to all forms of goverment so dont call me a commie with what im about to say allright
i was thinking, the western countries are all about freedom and the spread of democrocy yeah? so if they are for freedom why do they go to places (ie: iraq afghan) and try to spread democracy?? the comunists did the exact same thing!! they went from country to country spreading comunism, and yet the west condemed them? that is a real contradiction in my opinion

if they realy wanted to do good shouldnt they go to africa and do more to help the poor people there. there are genocides happening as we speak. poverty, mellnourishment and early death, wars, tribal fighting?

im not saying its right and im not saying one form of goverment is better than the other, im just saying isnt it a bit hipocritical?
please dont attack me on this i just thought it'd be an interesting debate

Your post is so confusing and immature on so many levels that I'm not even going to justify it by answering it. Try here first: www.wikipedia.org

To get you started, being opposed to all forms of government does not make you a "commie." It makes you an anarchist or pseudo-anarchist depending on how much you understand about anarchy itself.

Originally Posted by ASTRALdragon

Your post is so confusing and immature on so many levels that I'm not even going to justify it by answering it. Try here first: www.wikipedia.org

To get you started, being opposed to all forms of government does not make you a "commie." It makes you an anarchist or pseudo-anarchist depending on how much you understand about anarchy itself.

as i said dont attack me, its only a debate mate.
if you see holes in it please by all means point it out

Do you believe communism is equal to western liberal democracy?

Originally Posted by phoenix80

Do you believe communism is equal to western liberal democracy?

i am impervious on the subject of goverments. i dislike all forms of goverments because in the end all men are imperfect and thus no man can rule over another in any way and satisfy everyone.

the subject is hipocracy though. democracy's denouncing another form of goverment and then going and doing the same thing themselves.
also if a country invades another and sets up "democracy" is it truely democracy as it stands for, if the goverment was not set up by the people of that country themselves?

i am merely pointing a few things out, and as i said feel free to correct me, but do so in a manner where it is freiendly to recieveing comments in return.
i dont want an argument here i just want a passive debate

Think about freedom. Not government, but freedom. Now think about the exact opposite. Thats Western Democracy vs. Communisim(in its varying degrees). Now, we(the West) feel that spreading democracy is justified because EVERYONE wants freedom. Maybe not total anarchy, but freedom to do things that Communism would prevent. Thats why, and most of the world agrees with us, that spreading democracy is allowed.

Hmm,this is a difficult question.
I say ”national interest”　and read　the Prince by Machiavelli.
Saddam Hussein　was ignorance　about American reaction.

Originally Posted by C/1Lt Henderson

Think about freedom. Not government, but freedom. Now think about the exact opposite. Thats Western Democracy vs. Communisim(in its varying degrees). Now, we(the West) feel that spreading democracy is justified because EVERYONE wants freedom. Maybe not total anarchy, but freedom to do things that Communism would prevent. Thats why, and most of the world agrees with us, that spreading democracy is allowed.

To be honest I think his question is more philosophical than procedual though in essence are you actually free if freedom is imposed, it all becomes a very chicken or the egg argument.

Unfortunately I dont think it will ever be possible to get a concensus on this one because it becomes a battle of ideologies.

I guess I'll have to vote for the government which guarantees the most freedoms even with drawbacks such as a loss of some security. I don't want to be killed because of my choice of religion, place of birth or societal status. I don't care for unbridled search and seizure or arrest without a law to back it up. I don't want my source of protection taken away from me even if it may be taken away and used on me, at least I'll have a fighting chance.

If this sounds like a democratic republic, then that's what I prefer. I'm not looking for a perfect government but I will settle for one that's as close as possible.

Originally Posted by C/1Lt Henderson

Think about freedom. Not government, but freedom. Now think about the exact opposite. Thats Western Democracy vs. Communisim(in its varying degrees). Now, we(the West) feel that spreading democracy is justified because EVERYONE wants freedom. Maybe not total anarchy, but freedom to do things that Communism would prevent. Thats why, and most of the world agrees with us, that spreading democracy is allowed.

anyway as MontyB said, are you realy free if freedom is imposed upon you and not by your choice?