Originally Posted by Prince

anyway as MontyB said, are you realy free if freedom is imposed upon you and not by your choice?

Now that is the most ridiculous thing I ever heard. Freedom can not be imposed upon anyone. It is our natural right. Freedom can only be taken away.

But there are always those sick few people who dont want to be free...

Originally Posted by The Cooler King

Now that is the most ridiculous thing I ever heard. Freedom can not be imposed upon anyone. It is our natural right. Freedom can only be taken away.

To a large degree you are correct but as long as someone has the capacity to remove your freedoms are you free.

There is no doubt that the people want to be free but in reality we are really only free to support the system that grants us the most freedoms otherwise you end up a rebel.

Originally Posted by MontyB

To a large degree you are correct but as long as someone has the capacity to remove your freedoms are you free.

You are free until someone takes away your freedom. That's the bottom line. We are all born free and we remain free until someone takes our freedoms away.

Originally Posted by The Cooler King

You are free until someone takes away your freedom. That's the bottom line. We are all born free and we remain free until someone takes our freedoms away.

Which was my point to begin with, its a "which came first the chicken or the egg" argument I dont believe there is really any right or wrong answer to this one.

The one thing that we all know is that:

"Feedom isn't Free"

Originally Posted by MontyB

Which was my point to begin with, its a "which came first the chicken or the egg" argument I dont believe there is really any right or wrong answer to this one.

Monty what are you saying? Are you arguing that we aren't all born free?

yes, you can truly be free if freedom is forced upon you. you are free to move to a place where they take your freedom away, if you want to. example: i live in america where i am free. with my freedom i make the choice to move to north korea, where i will not be free.

Originally Posted by C/1Lt Henderson

But there are always those sick few people who dont want to be free...

Ooooh, now you're getting kinky...

Originally Posted by MontyB

To a large degree you are correct but as long as someone has the capacity to remove your freedoms are you free.

There is no doubt that the people want to be free but in reality we are really only free to support the system that grants us the most freedoms otherwise you end up a rebel.

too right.

anyways, is it freedom if you are forced to support a goverment you dislike? an example :

in australia you are made to vote, if you refuse to vote you get fined (this has happened to me and my family) now...even when i do vote i have to vote for someone i do not trust and that i dislike as both a person and a leader.
that person is our current pm. but i acnowlage..there are no other reasonable candidates for the job so well...ui gotta go with whats allready in place.

is that freedom? i dont think so.
as was said, we have to go with the system that grants the most freedom because nobody can be 100% free.