yada yada yada

We arent talking about French-US relation here. we re talking about WW II and how US came to rescue of the whole europeans and that is a known fact. Neither french nor british can deny that. Can you?


France is part of Europe right? So it is valid. Of course the US came to France and the UKs aid, just like France came to USAs aid when it needed it.

The point is why keep dredging up old history, its not like any of us were around at this time anyway. Besides all this is OT I would suggest we get back to Iran before the Admin starts deleting posts.

Politics or no politics, people from any poor areas of developing countries and third world nation will love to go to any well-developed land. Just follow the money.

I, myself, admit that the possiblities of financial independence was the sole motivator for coming to the States. It just happen that over the years political and social issues became interesting as well as the getting rich part.

Yes, I am still poor.

I saw this show on Iran about a year or saw ago, most people in there where secretly saying that they do not like the Iranian government and that they wish the US would do the same thing as they did with Afganistan over there.

And yes its funny, and sad, how alot of Europeans believe in their own flawed liberal thinking, when the common people of Iran believe otherwise.

Unfortunately, the new Iranian President is an Islamic hardliner. It was a major setback for the moderate Iranians. His main agenda is to develop Iran as a modern and advanced Islamic power.

Originally Posted by Marinerhodes

Imagine that.
Those same young Europeans probably take for granted their rights and freedoms that were paid for in blood by our forefathers in the early part of the 20th century.

One day, if there is any justice in the cosmos for people like them, they will get a lesson, and it will shock them into realizing the price that was paid for them to be able to sit there and make comments and statements like that.

I actually think that day is coming. Give it about 20 years or so.

Europe will be invaded by a united Islamic Empire. The deathtoll for this war will surpass even WWII.

Originally Posted by gladius

I actually think that day is coming. Give it about 20 years or so.

Europe will be invaded by a united Islamic Empire. The deathtoll for this war will surpass even WWII.

I certainly hope not. I am in the military.

I heard it somewhere said that "the one thing a soldier prays most for is peace."

I certainly hope not either. But I'm not going with what I hope, I'm going with what I think will happen (going by the odds, so to speak).

Iraq is our last best chance to stop the ball rolling towards that finality, by introducing democracy and openess in the Middle East. But most of the Europeans themselves don't seem to be cooperating, so this future war will be partially of their own making. Like you where sort of saying, people will get the lesson they deserve.

Originally Posted by gladius

I certainly hope not either. But I'm not going with what I hope, I'm going with what I think will happen (going by the odds, so to speak).

Iraq is our last best chance to stop the ball rolling towards that finality, by introducing democracy and openess in the Middle East. But most of the Europeans themselves don't seem to be cooperating, so this future war will be partially of their own making. Like you where sort of saying, people will get the lesson they deserve.

that is what Bush believes in and I agree with it in principle, let's just hope Bush does not mess up Iraq further more.

Originally Posted by gladius

I saw this show on Iran about a year or saw ago, most people in there where secretly saying that they do not like the Iranian government and that they wish the US would do the same thing as they did with Afganistan over there.

And yes its funny, and sad, how alot of Europeans believe in their own flawed liberal thinking, when the common people of Iran believe otherwise.

Unfortunately, the new Iranian President is an Islamic hardliner. It was a major setback for the moderate Iranians. His main agenda is to develop Iran as a modern and advanced Islamic power.

I actually think that day is coming. Give it about 20 years or so.

Europe will be invaded by a united Islamic Empire. The deathtoll for this war will surpass even WWII.

Right on the spot.

Agreed!

Originally Posted by WARmachine88

that is what Bush believes in and I agree with it in principle, let's just hope Bush does not mess up Iraq further more.

excuse me... It is not Bush doing the mess in Iraq.

It is Syrian-Saudi-Iranian backed insurgency making it worse for coalition forces and innocent people of Iraq to go further.

Originally Posted by phoenix_aim54

excuse me... It is not Bush doing the mess in Iraq.

It is Syrian-Saudi-Iranian backed insurgency making it worse for coalition forces and innocent people of Iraq to go further.

so who went in there first without solid intelligence....

or who tries to force everybody accept a constitution that will certainly result a civil war in the future??

Originally Posted by WARmachine88

so who went in there first without solid intelligence....

or who tries to force everybody accept a constitution that will certainly result a civil war in the future??

Who was using nerve gas on the Kurds, who was running rape rooms, who was filling mass graves with men, women, and children, who was working with unscrupulous European Countries with the UN compliance to sell oil and send the money to terrorists in Gaza and Lebanon and build palaces while Iraqis starved, Who invaded Kuwait and then kicked the UN inspectors out with no explanation, who broke every UN resolution? Who? Why it was that dashing darling of the ne`er do wells of the "leave things as they are" crowd.