Is there any possibility that USA can be defeated?

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Genghis_Kan

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USA is the strongest nation in the world. It has got a power economy, industrial and armed force. It dominates the world economy. Just out of interest is there actually any way in defeating the US in a strategy scale. I mean a country/alliance which can defeat the US and replace it as world no.1. Personally I still could not think of any way in defeating the US. I wanna hear wts yr opinion on this.

PS I am not anti-american
 
Can anyone or any group defeat the US?

Right now, no way.

Are you talking about an invasion into US soil, or just a shift in the balance through non-military means? Either way, rigth now no chance.

There are powers that will be able to challenge the US, but to actually take it down thats another story. In the short term they may be able to pose a threat, but most things aren't solved in the short term, the US will win eventualy.

For a country or group of countries to be greater than the US they will need the following:

Natural Resources
Population
Industry
Economy
Hard working and Honest General Population.
Initiative
Inventivness
Good Sense (this is a hard one to descride, it basicly some sort of self perservation instict to not let its true ideals and culture be taken over, sort of like patriotism or belief in the establishment and furtherance of the country and its ways, or basicly not to let itself get so weak that it crumbles from within)

The US basicly has all the these qualities, which you can say helped to make it great. No country or group of countries posses all these qualities, thats what it will basicly take to top the US, but it must be done to a greater degree.

Other countries or groups may have the natural resources, population and maybe even industry. But they don't have the economy. The only proven way in history to have this massive powerful economy is through capitalism. So they must be willing to be capitalist.

But in order for capitalism to truly suceed they must have a hard working, honest population. This was fostered in the US from its founding by its religiuos Christian heritage, although it not as prevalent today, most aspect of its culture is influence by these traditions, for the most part at least. You will need a country with a traditional influrence of honesty and hard work similar to this to realize full economic potential based on a capitalistic system. Any other economic system simply cannot compete in the long term, for the short term maybe, but never in the long term. And those countries that try to achieve full capitalistic potential which don't have honest and hardworking populations will be severley held back due to lazziness, bad work ethics, and corruption (it will still work well enough to give its benefits, but not to a full and massive potential).

A correctly working capitalistic system will naturally foster intiative. This in turn will foster inventiveness, due to the fact that in order to compete in this system, products that better serve the interest of those same people supporting the economy will have to be made in order for those same people to want to get them. Thus you have what is called a virtuos cycle which propagates itself more and more, enlarging the economy.

Lastly is most of the population must posses somekind of good sense. Like I said this is hard to describe. Something similar to patriotism, but its more than that. More akin to sense of self preservation, to not let internal influences that would take your down or decay it into weakness, basicly to preseve the balance which made it great in the first place. Afterall alot of empires in history weakened themselves from within before falling.

The closest example that can successfully overtake the US as a world power would be the EU, but they lack two things, thats why they will never achieve it. Again they may do it in the short term but it wont last. The first thing they lack is intiative, their mostly socialistic system stiffles alot of this. Secondly is this "good sense" I was talking about, their shrinking population combined with massive Muslim immigration and births will results in total assimilation and takeover with 50 to 100 years. They no longer have this sense of self preservtion that will make them take the nesacery action. If the US follows suit as Europe then will fall too this is the only other way that someone can take over the US, if it decayed internally, but then it would be the US own fault, not because someone was greater.

So other than internal collapse, a country or group would have to have all those qualities I listed going for it to make that happen and beat the US. Frankly there is non that has, seriously if you look for yourself you will find none.

Maybe they can beat the US militarily and try to conquer it, but they will have to conquer the rest of the world first then take over Mexico or Canada or both, before they can invade. But the US will not stand by and let that happen in the first place. The enemy may get the upper hand in the begining but eventually they will have to face the full might of what the US economy and industry can produce, not to mention all kinds of secret and advanced weapons made possible by its initiative and inventiveness.

There will probably be other powers in the future to challenge the US, for the short term yes they may succeed even appear to win. But once everything the US has to throw into the fray gets in gear, watch out.
 
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We're already at war, and losing. For some time now China has engaged in open Economic warfare with the US, and due mostly do the US's own citizens (with the help of a few large corporations), we are are losing. When the eventual military confrontation happens, the US will have already lost before the first shot is fired.
 
Well, the martians are looking really jittery these days. I think they could give us a run for tour money.
 
The US could be defeated only if several neclear terrorist attacks were delivered on its soil and another power decided to take advantage of the situation.
 
The world is constant changing place, super powers come and go with time. Now just who will be the next one to pick up this mantle, could it be India or China one wonders
 
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Like all the empires in the history USA would be defeated no by a direct atack but by some kind of self destruction. But can last centuries till then

The Roman or Spanish empire where defeated after several centuries in wich they collected many enemies and wars that colapsed their economies and many internal fights that exausted the empire.
 
Forrest_Gump said:
We're already at war, and losing. For some time now China has engaged in open Economic warfare with the US, and due mostly do the US's own citizens (with the help of a few large corporations), we are are losing. When the eventual military confrontation happens, the US will have already lost before the first shot is fired.

There were two generals in the Chinese army that wrote a book a few decades ago about the benefits of conducting an economic war against the US. It's well underway. I will have to find the name of that book. I'll edit this post with a link to it when I find it.

Nachos Grande
 
The way we lose in the short term is a disruption in our energy supplies. No oil, no natural gas, our economy falls apart very fast.
 
There were two generals in the Chinese army that wrote a book a few decades ago about the benefits of conducting an economic war against the US. It's well underway. I will have to find the name of that book. I'll edit this post with a link to it when I find it.

I'd appreciate that Nachos. I'm sure that it would be more of an enjoyable read than the RAND studies, white papers, position papers, and on and on that I normaly read while researching.
 
Every world power and empire in history has declined or disintegrated eventually - I think the USA will be more durable than the others because of its democracy and freedoms, however, the others declined or collapsed because of their social decay from within, and so the USA may one day fall, hundreds of years from now, because it defeated itself from within, begining with moral corruption and civil-war like conditions. I don't think an external power or rival could defeat the USA if by defeat you mean total occupation and control of all 50 states.
 
Like all world powers before, USA also has some weaknesses!

Just look at its military expenditure! - 400 Billion USD annually.

This is a big strain on economy especially when you are fighting wars. Massive number of troops can be brought-up on the battle-field but they cannot be maintained for long term purposes like occupation!

And if economy becomes weak then US military will also be rendered useless.

IRAQ war is an example. That war is damn expensive and this is one of the reasons that US does not increases the size of its troops there despite of active insurgency!

Not to forget that IRAQ is a crippled nation. Now talk about wars with nations that are much more powerful then IRAQ!

Also, the worldy events actually make-up or break-up a super-power. Soviet Union's break-up is an example of failure in conflicts and lack of resources in controlling massive empire!

US also relies on natural resources and powerful economy for survival. Just drain one thing and US will be history!

Now look at this "War-on-terror". US is not challenged militarily, so its enemies have brought up a different plan to fight it and defeat it. US was attacked and its WTC destroyed. That dragged them in to the lands of its enemies but still the fighting rages even after massive bombardment and expenditure.

Now this new extremist enemy is not clearly known and cannot be easily distinguished and thus continues to pose threat. And it does not runs industries or requires sophisticated weaponry to depend upon. It fights with basic weapons and manages to fight with the Sole Superpower and drain its resources.

Then more nations are becoming Nuclear Powers and this is a next big threat. NK and IRAN are two examples of rogue states (in terms of US!)

Also OIL is becoming expensive and China has initiated its economical war on US by capturing large chunks of market around the globe.

Thus the point is that no nation is in-vincible and same goes for US. One day it will be history like others before it!

Thus even after COLD WAR, new challenges have taken shape and these are no less a burden on US economy!
 
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And if economy becomes weak then US military will also be rendered useless.

IRAQ war is an example. That war is damn expensive and this is one of the reasons that US does not increases the size of its troops there despite of active insurgency!

Thats a nice theory but back it up with something?

Not to forget that IRAQ is a crippled nation. Now talk about wars with nations that are much more powerful then IRAQ!

"crippled" nations are even more capable of fighting guriella wars that "civil" nations.

Thus the point is that no nation is in-vincible and same goes for US. One day it will be history like others before it!

Probally but the US will be the last by defenition "superpower"
 
Probally but the US will be the last by defenition "superpower"

The Chinese are well on their way to becoming the next world superpower. Their economy will over run the U.S. probablt\y in the next 10-15 years. Maybe even less then that.There are many more world superpowers left to come after the U.S.
 
Rabs said:
Thats a nice theory but back it up with something?
This is not theory!

Strong ecomomy is essential for fighting wars with expensive weaponry!

And if economy is weakened then those expensive weapons will be rusting in the bases.

Take Russia for example!

But still I am not under-estimating US economy.

Rabs said:
"crippled" nations are even more capable of fighting guriella wars that "civil" nations.
I agree with this!


US conventional warfare capability is very strong.

But a better armed nation will fight more hard then the Iraqi did!

Rabs said:
Probally but the US will be the last by defenition "superpower"
You are wrong here!

World does not ends upon just US.

Their is potential for more Super-powers in the future!

Who knows that Europe might unite as one nation?

Not to forget that China has very bright future!

Or even muslims might rise to power in near future!

Plus! I am not against US but I feel that their should be a balance of power in this world.
 
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