Topic: tank reload mechanism 2

Gunner13 · March 7th, 2004

CHECK! Auto loaders do not make sense in a tank. However, the developed for the Crusader SP Howitzer is darn impressive (I've seen the video). Inside an indirect fire systems is one of the places where the improved rate of fire makes sense!

Before you all tell me that the Crusader is dead, no it isn't! A good deal of the equipment and systems developed for it will be used on the Future Combat Systems Indirect Fire Vehicle.

dragon_master_gunner · March 8th, 2004

Yeah, but the actual Crusader vehicle as we know it has gone the way of the Dodo. We will never see it, same as the Commanche. As far as the FCS, I don't think we'll see an actual production vehicle in the next ten years.

Gunner13 · March 8th, 2004

The current plans call for the first FCS unit long before that and like all things in R&D/Budget Land, we will have to wait and see.

Crusader lives on in the heart of the FCS Indirect Fire Vehcile - sometimes concepts are more durable than project names

AlexKall · March 29th, 2004

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Originally Posted by dragon_master_gunner

I agree. The Autoloader concept will be debated until the cows come home, But I am pretty sure the US/NATO will never adopt one. It's too much trouble and too unreliable for any prolonged us.

Wow, i would defenetly want to see that video, if you are able to find it?

SoonToBeTankSarge · July 2nd, 2004

there is another problem you guys never ever addressed, when an Abrams or Merkava fires, with the manual loader, your guns stays on target, so you know he is dead, or can be shot at again quickly, with the autoloaders, the gun moves the whole thing, off target *hey, let's shoot him, he's reloading* and up to the tank version of "attention" and last tiem i checked, it might take a few seconds to move a heavy turret, even with a good turret traverse motor, you can't just sup them up like car engines, so in takin' the gun off target, opening up a world of hurt for your tank, possibly added time that was supposed to be taken off of the reloading sequence, as well as all those other thigns, the mechanics, the gunenrs arm being used for ammo, all that , and with the russian tanks being speed and firepower over armor, you need that manual loader, not something that would be good for artilery mass bombardments

Snauhi · July 2nd, 2004

btw gunner13 , t-90 is a t-72 based.

March 7th, 2004	Post 11
Gunner13 Centurion Gear	CHECK! Auto loaders do not make sense in a tank. However, the developed for the Crusader SP Howitzer is darn impressive (I've seen the video). Inside an indirect fire systems is one of the places where the improved rate of fire makes sense! Before you all tell me that the Crusader is dead, no it isn't! A good deal of the equipment and systems developed for it will be used on the Future Combat Systems Indirect Fire Vehicle. __________________ "Americans are so hard to fight because they do not know their doctrine, and if they do, they do not feel compelled to follow it" - Unknown, but attributed to a Soviet Officer. Mortui Non Mordent - Pro Libertate Patriae - Celeritas Et Accuratio

March 8th, 2004	Post 12
dragon_master_gunner Immunes	Yeah, but the actual Crusader vehicle as we know it has gone the way of the Dodo. We will never see it, same as the Commanche. As far as the FCS, I don't think we'll see an actual production vehicle in the next ten years. __________________ \"Each man will charge forward to the very end, irrespective of the cost in casualties. There will be no halt and no retreat. There will only be the assault and the advance. - Gen Israel Tal Israel,1967\"

July 2nd, 2004	Post 15
SoonToBeTankSarge Milites Gregarius	there is another problem you guys never ever addressed, when an Abrams or Merkava fires, with the manual loader, your guns stays on target, so you know he is dead, or can be shot at again quickly, with the autoloaders, the gun moves the whole thing, off target hey, let's shoot him, he's reloading and up to the tank version of "attention" and last tiem i checked, it might take a few seconds to move a heavy turret, even with a good turret traverse motor, you can't just sup them up like car engines, so in takin' the gun off target, opening up a world of hurt for your tank, possibly added time that was supposed to be taken off of the reloading sequence, as well as all those other thigns, the mechanics, the gunenrs arm being used for ammo, all that , and with the russian tanks being speed and firepower over armor, you need that manual loader, not something that would be good for artilery mass bombardments __________________ \"You Ain\'t Never Said Nothing About No Tiger\'s Baby\". Oddball

March 8th, 2004	Post 13
Gunner13 Centurion Gear	The current plans call for the first FCS unit long before that and like all things in R&D/Budget Land, we will have to wait and see. Crusader lives on in the heart of the FCS Indirect Fire Vehcile - sometimes concepts are more durable than project names

July 2nd, 2004	Post 16
Snauhi Primus Pilus	btw gunner13 , t-90 is a t-72 based.