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July 7th, 2012   #31
O.W.E.G.
 
 
you have no proof that the Egyptian army was beaten.
Israel crossed but they failed to enter the cities of Ismailia and Suez which didn't have any major resistance.and their line lacked depth and 250 T-62s had just landed through ports in Egypt and their was no point into going into Cairo where they couldn't even capture Suez or Ismailia.
 
July 10th, 2012   #32
VDKMS
 
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Originally Posted by O.W.E.G.
you have no proof that the Egyptian army was beaten.
Israel crossed but they failed to enter the cities of Ismailia and Suez which didn't have any major resistance.and their line lacked depth and 250 T-62s had just landed through ports in Egypt and their was no point into going into Cairo where they couldn't even capture Suez or Ismailia.
Then why did Egyptian national security advisor Hafez Ismail sent Kissinger that Egypt was willing to enter into direct talks with Israel, provided that it agree to allow non-military supplies to reach the Third Army and to a complete ceasefire?

Egypt's third army was completely cut of from it's supplies and they were without food and water. Israel allowed humanitarian aid from relief organizations to the third army. Without this aid, the third army would have surrendered within days.
 
July 10th, 2012   #33
I3BrigPvSk
 
 
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Originally Posted by VDKMS
At the end of the war Israel had the Sinai and Gaza from Egypt, the West Bank from Jordan and the Golan Heights fron Syria and you are saying that Arabs won? When you go into peace talks when you lost territory it is because you are beaten and want to prevent more damage.
Even if the Arabs lost the Yom Kippur; they won something. A war is a human act and the reaction in Israel was; we cannot take this causality figures again. The war opened up the negotiations between Egypt and Israel. The Romanian leader Nicolae Ceauşescu played a vital role in the peace process.
Egypt got the Sinai back; there are many different outcomes of a war, not only the military achievements


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July 11th, 2012   #34
VDKMS
 
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Originally Posted by I3BrigPvSk
Even if the Arabs lost the Yom Kippur; they won something. A war is a human act and the reaction in Israel was; we cannot take this causality figures again. The war opened up the negotiations between Egypt and Israel. The Romanian leader Nicolae Ceauşescu played a vital role in the peace process.
Egypt got the Sinai back; there are many different outcomes of a war, not only the military achievements
The peace treaty was signed 6 years after the war. Egypt had to recognise Israel, free passage of Israeli ships through the Suez Canal and keep the Sinai demilitarized. Israel would give back the Sinai and the US gave economic and military aid to Egypt. This treaty was followed by the Oslo accords with the Palestinians in 1993 and the peace treaty with Jordan in 1994. In 2005 Israel unilateraly left Gaza which didn't bring peace for them because Hamas doesn't want peace but the destruction of Israel.
 
July 11th, 2012   #35
O.W.E.G.
 
 
its really simple you tried to kill me before i want you dead now .
you don't just go bomb a man's house then ask for peace with him.
 
July 11th, 2012   #36
I3BrigPvSk
 
 
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Originally Posted by VDKMS
The peace treaty was signed 6 years after the war. Egypt had to recognise Israel, free passage of Israeli ships through the Suez Canal and keep the Sinai demilitarized. Israel would give back the Sinai and the US gave economic and military aid to Egypt. This treaty was followed by the Oslo accords with the Palestinians in 1993 and the peace treaty with Jordan in 1994. In 2005 Israel unilateraly left Gaza which didn't bring peace for them because Hamas doesn't want peace but the destruction of Israel.

Six years isn't a long time. The Yom Kippur had a profound effect on both Israel and Egypt. The Camp David treaty included the Palestinians; however, Arafat decided to not go to the Camp David, from my point of view. That was a mistake. Israel was also interested to take a trip to Lebanon and Israel doesn't have the man power to keep forces in Sinai and launching an offensive toward Beirut.
 



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