Topic: Some pics from the new German IdZ units 2

Redneck · October 19th, 2004

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Originally Posted by Bratwurst

A friend of mine has personal contacts though and will inform me soon.

Just a reminder, do not post anything here that violates either OPSEC or PERSEC.

Bratwurst · October 19th, 2004

Thanks for the reminder. I won't.

Darcia · October 19th, 2004

Just one more piece of Info that if you give the Germans a little leway they go out and Build something bigger and better....looks cool though.

SAINT · October 20th, 2004

COOL

looks like some Blue Box Toy figures come alive!

Chocobo_Blitzer · October 20th, 2004

Very cool! But what's up with the guy with the beret? Germans should never wear berets.

Well, to me anyways...

Bootboy82 · October 20th, 2004

He's a 3-star general, probably the unit's commander.

Why should Germans never wear berets?

Doppleganger · October 20th, 2004

Another thought occurred to me. If there's gonna be 40000 of these troops proposed how will they ensure that training standards are kept to the highest level? I presume we're not talking GS-G9 or SAS levels of training but more in the order of say Royal Marine Commando or Green Beret training standards?

the_13th_redneck · October 21st, 2004

Royal Marines Commandos and Green Berets are a very high standard as well. Also the Green Berets are among the top of the line Special Forces so no point in downplaying them. Plus they've proven themselves in combat time and again.

Doppleganger · October 21st, 2004

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Originally Posted by the_13th_redneck

Royal Marines Commandos and Green Berets are a very high standard as well. Also the Green Berets are among the top of the line Special Forces so no point in downplaying them. Plus they've proven themselves in combat time and again.

Not meaning to downplay them at all. I know they are of a very high standard. I also know that if they will be the German equivalent which looks the case they will likely be of a very high standard themselves.

Bratwurst · October 21st, 2004

Frankly I don't know what the training standard will be for the planned 40k yet. My contact is in Hammelburg this minute and will tell me about it around Christmas.

The Troops that are in Afghanistan right now are KSK. They are the military equivalent to the GSG9. In addition to their extensive (basic) training they would have received additional training for the new gear and should rank highly among the deadliest troops in the world, I bet...

This here is a quick (English) overview of the KSK:

http://www.specialoperations.com/For...rmany/KSK.html

Since the KSK was brought into existence for international crisis intervention, I speculate that at least parts of their training methods will be applied on the rest of the 40k troops, making them formidable opponents as well.

The German army is transforming right now. It will keep up conscription for country defense and the 40k body with necessary goodies, i.e. an improved Leo 2 with improved firepower, or this, something particularly interesting: SAR-Lupe/SATCOM Radar-/Communication system that is designed to complement the French HELIOS II.

Seems like they're closing the tech gap in comm/sat-equipment. Knowing the German engineers it's going to be good stuff.

All in all, to come back to your question Doppelganger, the German military isn't doing bad. The tech meets highest standards. The large body of the conscription army may be substandard (lack of funding), but their new intervention army is going to be one thing and one thing only: kick-ass!

This is a list (German) of the newer (non-convidential) projects:

http://www.bundeswehr.de/forces/0408...r_teil1.php#13

And just because I like them so much, here a few pics of KSK snipers with the G22 (a modified British developement). I believe every squad has one.

October 19th, 2004	Post 12
Bratwurst Immunes	Thanks for the reminder. I won't. __________________ A marbles is almost as big as a Baseball, but it is made of glass - Sum Dum Fuk

October 19th, 2004	Post 13
Darcia Tribuni Angusticlavii	Just one more piece of Info that if you give the Germans a little leway they go out and Build something bigger and better....looks cool though. __________________ ^_^

October 20th, 2004	Post 14
SAINT Centurion	COOL looks like some Blue Box Toy figures come alive! __________________ WHY IN THE WORLD DO WE NEED TO FIGHT SO OFTEN? HAVE WE FORGOTTEN THE BABIES?

October 20th, 2004	Post 15
Chocobo_Blitzer Primus Pilus	Very cool! But what's up with the guy with the beret? Germans should never wear berets. Well, to me anyways... __________________ \"The superior man, when resting in safety, does not forget that danger may come. When in a state of security he does not forget the possibility of ruin. When all is orderly, he does not forget that disorder may come. Thus his person is not endangered, and his States and all their clans are preserved.\"

October 20th, 2004	Post 16
Bootboy82 Centurion	He's a 3-star general, probably the unit's commander. Why should Germans never wear berets? __________________ Every drop of blood Every bitter tear Every bead of sweat I live for this If you don\'t live for something you\'ll die for nothing!

October 20th, 2004	Post 17
Doppleganger Tribuni Angusticlavii	Another thought occurred to me. If there's gonna be 40000 of these troops proposed how will they ensure that training standards are kept to the highest level? I presume we're not talking GS-G9 or SAS levels of training but more in the order of say Royal Marine Commando or Green Beret training standards?

October 21st, 2004	Post 18
the_13th_redneck No Chance Outside Gear	Royal Marines Commandos and Green Berets are a very high standard as well. Also the Green Berets are among the top of the line Special Forces so no point in downplaying them. Plus they've proven themselves in combat time and again. __________________ I don't exist. TRESPASSERS WILL BE PROSTITUTED Next time you travel http://www.epictrip.com

October 21st, 2004	Post 20
Bratwurst Immunes	Frankly I don't know what the training standard will be for the planned 40k yet. My contact is in Hammelburg this minute and will tell me about it around Christmas. The Troops that are in Afghanistan right now are KSK. They are the military equivalent to the GSG9. In addition to their extensive (basic) training they would have received additional training for the new gear and should rank highly among the deadliest troops in the world, I bet... This here is a quick (English) overview of the KSK: http://www.specialoperations.com/For...rmany/KSK.html Since the KSK was brought into existence for international crisis intervention, I speculate that at least parts of their training methods will be applied on the rest of the 40k troops, making them formidable opponents as well. The German army is transforming right now. It will keep up conscription for country defense and the 40k body with necessary goodies, i.e. an improved Leo 2 with improved firepower, or this, something particularly interesting: SAR-Lupe/SATCOM Radar-/Communication system that is designed to complement the French HELIOS II. Seems like they're closing the tech gap in comm/sat-equipment. Knowing the German engineers it's going to be good stuff. All in all, to come back to your question Doppelganger, the German military isn't doing bad. The tech meets highest standards. The large body of the conscription army may be substandard (lack of funding), but their new intervention army is going to be one thing and one thing only: kick-ass! This is a list (German) of the newer (non-convidential) projects: http://www.bundeswehr.de/forces/0408...r_teil1.php#13 And just because I like them so much, here a few pics of KSK snipers with the G22 (a modified British developement). I believe every squad has one.