Capitalism: An economic system that rewards the industrious and punishes the indolent.

Socialism: An economic system that rewards the indolent and punishes the industrious.

Which system would you prefer to live under. (Remember, your answer reveals much about your personality )

This is just provactive, and not going to go anywere productive.

This is almost as bad as something i would post.

Yeah, I mean capitalism is much better than just that and then real socialism is something enormously worse than that.

Originally Posted by Rabs

This is just provactive, and not going to go anywere productive.

This is almost as bad as something i would post.

A discussion doesn't necessarily have to be productive to be intertesting.

And ALL debate is provocative. Otherwise, it wouldn't be debate.

And there are many blended systems out there which would render a black and white debate something quite fool hardy. LG, could you further illustrate your argument with a tangible real world representation of each system as you understand it?

Thank god you're back IG, i missed the nuance on many topic. I couldn't agree less with you Grizzly, but that might not come as a surprise.

And Rabs, if the rep thing would be working I would definately given you a point for your post!! Absolutely brilliant

Originally Posted by Ted

Thank god you're back IG, i missed the nuance on many topic. I couldn't agree less with you Grizzly, but that might not come as a surprise.

Ted,

Please explain to me how you can disagree. In a capitalist society, a person gets to ebnjoy the fruits of his labor, and isn't required by law to support those too lazy to labor.

In a socialist society, everyone is "entitled" to "the good life" even if he makes no attempt to earn it. Social parasites are rewarded. Hell, social parasitism is actively encouraged.

I'm 100% believer of Free Republicanism.

I'm also 100% Capitalist.

Well since we are aiming at the nuance:

I work full houres on a honest job in a capitalist society. Why am I not a millionaire already? Because the fine lines are left out of the equation. As much as socialism stimulates parasitism, I reckon that capitalism stimulates egotism, greed and a blind individualism that holds everything in contempt except themselve.
Sure capitalism rewards some of the hard working but it usually is the one who has the connections, money or background. It is a system that focusses on the particular anomaly that did make it instead of the very large group which didn't, reagardless whether they made it or not.

In the former USSR many groundbreaking discoveries were made in scientific area's (please don't go and make me mention them one by one) by people who weren't overpayed but just plain keen on doing a job! What I am trying to say is that your statement leaves an enormous ground not talked about and left out of the equation. And I just happen to be one of those and I have a hard time with that black and white statement!

Did you think evryone who believes in capitalism is a milionaire?

Originally Posted by Ted

In the former USSR many groundbreaking discoveries were made in scientific area's (please don't go and make me mention them one by one) by people who weren't overpayed but just plain keen on doing a job!

But very little of these were even put to use to make life easier for their people, and there is where the evidence is seen. Beisides most of those people lived mundane dreary lives.

Most of these dicoveries were put to weaponery, or developments for the purpose of making war.

Very little had to do medical science, and information technology, or devices which can make life easier such as microwave ovens and cell phones. Alot of the insentives of capitalism make life easier for everyone, giving everyone a better quality of life.