About So why do people hate Israel? Page 18
|December 16th, 2011||#171|
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Just to familiarise yourself a little more as to why things are the way they are insofar as the US relationship with Israel, I have posted two video clips of an interview with Mark Bruzonsky author of the "Paris declaration", a well known Jewish American scholar and business leader. Here you can hear it "from the horses mouth" some of the details as to why the US is virtually powerless to do the things it knows that legally and morally it should.
It's hardly riveting stuff, nor could it be considered extremist in any way, just a simple humdrum explanation of how Israel has US political parties by the balls. It's often somewhat boring, but do yourself the favour of watching it through and it may just open your eyes to this "growing cancer"* in US politics
*Their words not mine.
"I am totally responsible for what I write,... however I cannot be held responsible for your complete inability to understand"
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|December 16th, 2011||#172|
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I did that with your distortions. I proved what was left out or what words were changed in order to give it a twisted view.
I challenge you to show me which facts I gave were wrong.
I am not a pro-zionist. I hate extremists and I can't stand people who twist the facts and the truth.
|December 16th, 2011||#173|
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Similarly, I can do the same with the truth, showing that Adolph Hitler loved his mother and treated her very well, and no doubt was loved in return, but that in no way mitigates the fact that he was a neurotic and probably psychotic mass murderer who was primarily responsible for the premature deaths of many tens of millions of people. Such is the case against Israel, and we find that a number of Jewish persons including Holocaust survivors, eminent scholars and writers have made similar observations.
Nowhere, have you shown Israel to be a responsible member of the world community, and in keeping with the topic of this thread, nowhere have you given any reason why the world's dislike and distrust of Israel and their thieving murderous policies is not totally justified (if not understated).
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|December 16th, 2011||#174|
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On the whole I agree with this guy though the only way peace will be attained in the region is to remove the USA from the equation or at least the right of veto.
We are more often treacherous through weakness than through calculation. ~Francois De La Rochefoucauld
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|December 16th, 2011||#175|
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Who admitted that during the British Mandate?
Do you wholeheartedly agree with this: Suicide attack against civilians are crime against humanity : "Amnesty International condemns in the strongest terms today's suicide attacks on two buses in Be'er Sheva, in the south of Israel, which killed at least 15 people and wounded some 90 others. The Palestinian armed group Hamas reportedly claimed responsibility for carrying out the attacks."
Red Cross official: There is no humanitarian crisis in Gaza , that's a IDF link so you would not believe it but here's another one
UN : In September 2011, a UN investigative committee concluded in the Palmer Report that the blockade is legal.
but maybe you wholeheartedly agree with them for this:
Why is Amnesty hosting a Hamas-friendly publisher of racists?
Int'l Red Cross Sheltering Hamas Terrorist Officials
Before being appointed as judge at the International Court of Justice, Nabil Elaraby urged Arab states to sue Israel for committing atrocities, a judge must be impartial isn't it?
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|December 17th, 2011||#176|
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I was very mindful of my manners being careful to avoid saying anything that might be considered as contentious. During the several days I spent with various families, after the formalities were over, we sat together and talked of our connections and family traits. (My nose)* It wasn't very long before I found that with most of them, their views on Zionism are somewhat ambivalent, and the antics of my distant relative who was once quoted as being, one of Australia's foremost Zionists, was regarded with some quiet hilarity by the family in general.
*I must admit that I found it somewhat reassuring to be gently ribbed about my "regal" nose by my newly met rellies.
"If you insist on first putting your head in the fire, and then trying to extinguish it with petrol, don't complain that you get burnt".
In short I'm not interested in you excuses.
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|December 17th, 2011||#177|
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From what I see now is, we are so far past the point of who rightfully owns the land, that we have no choice but to try to find every avenue for peace between these two groups of people.
I DON"T LIKE IT, so please, this is not really my opion on that first bit.
But, even if you legitimize the claims, what does that solve? If either side settles the claim and gives it to the other, a massive humanitarian crisis will be created that could pass the state of the current one with Palestienians.
I will say this as well.
ALL Palestinians should be given the rights and respect of citizenship, either to their own state, or that of Israel by THEIR INDIVIDUAL CHOICE.
I hate this situation guys I do, but I will not cease to hope for and support any idea of findng a way to give equality and a better quality of life for Palestinians, as well as free travel to all Relgious areas throughout the occupied territories and Israel for all Muslims, Jews, and Christians.
Guys, if anyone could kindly explain, kindly please, IF one side backed down and gave claim to the entire region, what of the other peoples?
Will they be evicted or eradicated?
These are two cultures with strong ancient cultural history in this region.
Looking at the really screwed up situation now,
What can today's world do to assist in ensuring all the peoples in this region are given equal rights, free travel, and a franchised acknowledgment of their rights in the region of Palestiene/ Israel?
I would hate to see either side suffer any further injustices or crimes.
And will not abandon any hope that a lasting and just peace and equality can one day exisist for all peoples in this region...
Regardless of who owns the land.
"This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience"- Dwight D. Eisenhower , Jan 17,1961.
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|December 17th, 2011||#178|
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In a case of illegal occupation such as we are discussing, if you toss "ownership" out the window. There is no debate,... end of story.
I really think you need to go away and have a good think about what you are saying.
|December 17th, 2011||#179|
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So we should evict or eradicate 6 million Israelies?
|December 17th, 2011||#180|
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If you find a person driving your car, and he claims it is his. You go to court and the judge walks in and the first thing he says is "ownership is not going to influence my decision" one way or the other.
What is the sense of being there?.... and that is essentially what you said. You are approaching the debate with the same attitude as the Israelis have approached all their "negotiations" with the Palestinians. Make a stupid claim that effectively kills any talks before they begin.
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