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| | ![]() Cogito ergo sum Last edited by CABAL; June 19th, 2007 at 01:19.. |
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| | "The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental." - John Steinbeck |
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As a guy who served Korea this is what I have to say about China. China must be contained. They do not respect its neighbors sovreign rights. They, for example, want to annex Taiwan and see Koreans as just one of many Chinese ethnicities. Although there is not much talk of this outside of Korea or outside circles that talk of reunification, there is much reason to believe that if North Korea falls, the Chinese will intervene and take North Korea. This is true if US forces pull out of the Korean peninsular. If the Chinese can get Korea to become its virtual satellite state, it can take advantage of the high tech industry and the ship building industry of Korea and use it to advance itself. A Chinese invasion of South Korea is extremely unlikely for the next 50 years perhaps, but already with the Chinese claims of Korean history being Chinese history, they are perhaps laying groundwork for finding legitimacy in taking North Korea in the event of collapse. This is in fact, one of the reasons why South Korea actually PAYS North Korea to stay alive and is doing all it can to prevent collapse. The Chinese also pay, but its most possible that they do it so that the North Koreans can keep quiet and stop stirring so much chaos in China´s back door. This sort of move is motivated by their need to get China back to the days of superiority and glory it once enjoyed in the past. It is hard to explain but this is how it is. You have to realize that in many Asian countries, the face they show and the intentions they have are very different. The Japanese are most famous when it comes to showing great friendship and hospitality, even when in fact they want to rip your guts out. It is not fear mongering. It is not so much the Chinese government that we must fear but rather the people. The Chinese government do not want to be confrontational and actually they want a more rational and diplomatic relationship with foreign countries such as the US, Korea or Japan. But it is the public. encouraged by the progress they have been making as of late which wants China to be far more aggressive. It is a very different situation to which Europe and the US experience. The government is trying to keep a lid on its on people and the people are the ones demanding expansion and aggression to assert itself as a superpower. Actually this part of the argument is stated in the book CHINA RISING... can´t remember who the authors were but they were Chinese. |
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Are $15 dollar watches from Wal-Mart still ok with you when it was assembled by a 12 year old slave? Still got a warm fuzzy feeling about the Chinese market when the government is practicing degentrification? | |||
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Another fact that current sinophiles have conveniently forgotten is that Hu JinTao is the former provincial head of Tibet and under his tenure some of the most heinous acts were committed in the name of "social stability". He is a hard-liner in businessman's clothing. With China you must never believe what you see up front. Deception is an artform in China whose prowess in our world is unequalled. | |
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I tend toward the ambivalent when it comes to PDRC. Yes, they could, some day, rise cause problems that could be hard to handle, but not now and not anytime soon. Folk like to throw around the big numbers of PDRC, how many millions of soldiers and such, but those numbers are meaningless. There is zero logistical infrastructure to allow PDRC to go to any extent expeditionary. PDRC could build any number of ships with nice sounding stats and if aggressive, it'll just be that much tonnage put to the bottom about as quickly as the orders can be given. There is no experience in any real naval warfare, outside of individual frigates and destroyers preying on civilian shipping as pirates in the seas bordering China. The "old guard" in PDRC is very much anti-American in thought and speech in an unthinking knee jerk kind of way but so are France and Germany. Almost to the same degree. Yes the PDRC arms our current enemy in our fights but again, so do european nations. From my limited perspective, on the outside, looking in, the more prosperous PDRC gets, the less likely the "old guard" will be in holding onto power. And the more closely PDRC economy is tied to US and other western nations, the less likely the PDRC shot callers will be to get stupid. I have much less trust for most western eruo nations than I do for China. Equivocation is the first step along the road to capitulation. |
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