Originally Posted by MontyB

The reality is you haven't proved that removing the veto would lead to the dire consequences you suggest hell to date you haven't even given me a positive that has come from a veto.

I would also suggest that "right" is far more accurately determined by a collective decision from 200 countries as opposed to 5.

I also have no doubt you do prefer proxy wars, those of us in countries that are not fighting them most frequently do.

To prove how the world had been without the veto we must go back before the meeting in San Francisco, 1945 and the creation of the UN Charter, we might get a situation similar as the League of Nation, which were more or less ignored, you want that? So the first statement I quoted here is really stupid, sorry. You honestly think 200 can decide about something when the five permanent members have a problem to that? The world is not black and white as you think it is. These 200 will and they are doing that in the General Assembly, will create alliancies. During the Cold War, the proxy wars were bad as I said, but they were better than a war between the NATO and the Warsaw Pact. It is better with 50 000 dead than 5 million, the lesser evil, and welcome to the world that is called International Relations, it is a hard and egoistical world

Originally Posted by r.fox

the UN is based on fairness to all member countries. the UN was designed to take over from the league of nations and eliminate the downfalls of the league. one of the reason that hitler was successful was because that every one in germany hated the league. so what if some dodgy mistakes are made? the leaders in question would probably make a huge stink if they suspected that they were excluded because of there leaderships of their countries. its okay if they let them sit in on the meetings, but its another thing all together if they were even allowed to suggest things

And where have you been? Of cause it is corrupt and is now the forum for the Islamic states,how many of these states pay their way? very few.How many constantly harrangue the U.S. and other western countries?, how many of these piddle farting states turn to us when they have a disaster?[ all of them] The U.S. should ask the U.N. to move and who cares where it goes. I don't.

Tell me how do you retain power in a communication hungry world if you you have no method of communicating?

Here is a clue, the US will never abandon the UN no matter how much the rednecks of America (nor Australia for that matter) may decry it because the second the UN packs its bags the US loses its forum to dictate to the world.

Lets be honest here it is only corrupt when it doesn't do what you want but if you want to fix it just remove veto.

Originally Posted by asma18

And where have you been? Of cause it is corrupt and is now the forum for the Islamic states,how many of these states pay their way? very few.How many constantly harrangue the U.S. and other western countries?, how many of these piddle farting states turn to us when they have a disaster?[ all of them] The U.S. should ask the U.N. to move and who cares where it goes. I don't.

i,ve been over in NZ. anyway the un is just as much a forum for christanity as it is for islam and to be quite honest, both can be as extreme as the other. and im sure that a LOT of other people besides islamic states harrase the US, but then again, how many people harrase the islams? and how long do you think a government will remain in power if it refuses to give diaster relief to a neighboor who needed it?