Guys I think the real issue is police effectiveness and privacy.
There is no doubt that a DNA database etc., would in fact save a lot of money in the long run and make it much harder for criminals to do their work.
Being proud of your criminals isn't really great... it's sort of Somali... how a pirate who managed to bring in dough becomes a hero except even more retarded since he'd have to steal from other Somalis.
But this information would get to the private sector where it'll be there for all to abuse. Having junk mail with my name on it is annoying and getting phone calls from marketers who know my name is downright infuriating. One can only guess what sort of extortion they'd think of with my DNA info.

Add to that the knowledge of cloning technology and know-how anyways...no, innocent people should not have their DNA forced but ..with blood donors and hospital blood samples being taken...it can be done without our knowledge but people can sue the hey out of them if tampering with DNA has been going on, right

True...insurance companies would come up with a reason to have access to DNA but I don't think use of a pre-diagnosis should even be relevant nor discrimination against a pre-diagnosis of disease if found, should even be practiced. Hospitals n Dr's would lose out on accessing insurance monies too so don't think they would agree to that sort of practice either.

Soon it may go even beyond just the insurance.
You know how the Myers Briggs test determines your personality type and it kind of provides a guideline as to what jobs you are suited for and some which are complete incompatabilities? For example, if you are an INSP, you're a total red flag when it comes to espionage field agent.
If DNA information became prevalent, they might start looking into which DNA types tend to do well at what rank and what job and we may see companies using this information to deal with their human resources operations.
I don't know why the Myers Briggs test hasn't been used in that way but you could see the sort of potential right there.

In the UK there is a fictional police series called 'Waking the Dead'. This is about a cold case squad who re-examines old unsolved crimes when new evidence or technologies become available. Needless to say the team have a whizz kid on the forensic side who is equipped with the latest technology. They have a technical advisor for the series so all the science reflects reality despite being a fictional series.

In the latest programme they were faced without a DNA match for a rape sample. However after a great argument about civil rights, they widened the DNA search on the database to find someone who could be a close relative of the rapist. After a bit of unlawful breaking in to houses without warrants, Bingo they were able to deduce were the rapist lived!

It's a great series especially if you like gory scenes cutting up bodies etc Yuk!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode..._Night_Part_2/

Since the early 1990s, everyone who has the joined the US armed forces have been DNA-fingerprinted. It was designed to make sure that we have no more unknown soldiers, but it could also be used is crime-solving.

Originally Posted by perseus

In the UK there is a fictional police series called 'Waking the Dead'. This is about a cold case squad who re-examines old unsolved crimes when new evidence or technologies become available. Needless to say the team have a whizz kid on the forensic side who is equipped with the latest technology. They have a technical advisor for the series so all the science reflects reality despite being a fictional series.

In the latest programme they were faced without a DNA match for a rape sample. However after a great argument about civil rights, they widened the DNA search on the database to find someone who could be a close relative of the rapist. After a bit of unlawful breaking in to houses without warrants, Bingo they were able to deduce were the rapist lived!

It's a great series especially if you like gory scenes cutting up bodies etc Yuk!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode..._Night_Part_2/

That might work in TV land but the rapist would walk in reality when the courts discovered that illegal search was commited, illegal database searches, etc.
I am inclined to agree with someone who stated earlier that if your innocent what have you got to hide. But then I think about how crummy of a job our Government has done with SS numbers. 50 years ago, social security numbers meant nothing to anyone. Then this company figured out how to use it, that company figured another way, and pretty soon your social security number was worth your life. If DNA collection is used by the police, how long will it be before DNA becomes a protected item like your SS#?

John. In this case other peoples DNA records can potentially be used to see if they have a high probability of being related to a criminal they are searching for. This opens up a new can of worms. Of course the police needn't actually admit to this, they could simply use it as a lead to focus their search down to find a piece of legitimate evidence.

Originally Posted by perseus

John. In this case other peoples DNA records can potentially be used to see if they have a high probability of being related to a criminal they are searching for. This opens up a new can of worms. Of course the police needn't actually admit to this, they could simply use it as a lead to focus their search down to find a piece of legitimate evidence.

+1, this is one of the only reasons I don' support everyone having it.

It's too bad that we can't trust it not to be used against us because in the long run if it were just used for good I think it could do a lot.

The thing about the DNA is that it is the ultimate in personal information.
If there comes a time when others having access to it is inevitable, we the owners should have a very comprehensive understanding of what is in our own personal DNA and what it means to us.

Originally Posted by John Lydon

That might work in TV land but the rapist would walk in reality when the courts discovered that illegal search was commited, illegal database searches, etc.
I am inclined to agree with someone who stated earlier that if your innocent what have you got to hide. But then I think about how crummy of a job our Government has done with SS numbers. 50 years ago, social security numbers meant nothing to anyone. Then this company figured out how to use it, that company figured another way, and pretty soon your social security number was worth your life. If DNA collection is used by the police, how long will it be before DNA becomes a protected item like your SS#?

You should already be in a data base if your in the military. But that Data base can only be accessed for remains ID.

If and when DNA is collected by the Police it is entered into Combined DNA Index System (CODIS) maintained by the FBI. CODIS is a restricted access data base and requires probable cause and authorization to access. Basically it's an input and matching system.

Originally Posted by perseus

John. In this case other peoples DNA records can potentially be used to see if they have a high probability of being related to a criminal they are searching for. This opens up a new can of worms. Of course the police needn't actually admit to this, they could simply use it as a lead to focus their search down to find a piece of legitimate evidence.

If you input a DNA sample into CODIS and it hits you'll receive a probabilty report. If this DNA was collected on scene and then inputted into a system like CODIS, returned with a hit in the right range of probabilty thats Probable Cause and enough to enter an arrest warrant.